Atari's injury taking longer then expected

[Tarlam!]

Bigby, like Colledge, thinks he's shown enough to earn that fat contract. We Packer fans, with so much focus on every aspect of the team, have seen 3/4 of a great season from the guy.

Some team in need of a veteran Safety will pay him more than TT will based on that body of work.

It seems to me that when you have a QB like Rodgers and you're picking up the Bulagas and Mathews of this world, the team is being structured a certain way.

TT has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he takes great care of Packer People. IMHO, that's why he jettisoned #4. (He was too new to really get the Wahle thing right and I'm convinced he'd do that differently).

My point? Continue to get rid of non Packer People, TT, despite the short term.

[get louder at lambeau]

So in the last couple posts people have claimed that Bigby has not shown good decision making and is not Packer people. I'll bet there's nothing to back that up except conjecture. Despite how people act, he didn't hold out at all, and I don't think he's ever said anything that makes me think he's not a team player.

[rbaloha1]

The Drew Rosenhaus curse remains.

[Patler]

I seriously doubt Bigby was looking for a huge contract, just something longer term, perhaps with a modest bonus.

Bigby has been a starter for three seasons, yet has been basically a minimum wage player throughout his career. From 2006-2008 Charlie Peprah was paid as much as Bigby (actually a few thousand more, I think). Tony Moll was paid more. Junius Coston was paid more the years he was here. Will Blackmon makes more. Jarrett Bush has made more, and last year with his bonus, he made a half-million more than Bigby. Aaron Rouse made more in 2007 and 2008 than Bigby did. I could go on and on. The Packers stepped up just a little last year with Bigby, but with no bonus, so no guarantee, unlike what they did for Bush. Then this year, they gave him the least they could offer to make him stay.

Every drafted player has had bonus money they were guaranteed. Bigby's total bonuses? - $15,000. over three years. Yet he has been a starter.

I don't blame Bigby for trying to get a better deal. Not at all. I didn't blame Grant at all either. Players who come into the league undrafted generally play catchup for most of their careers, unless they become stars.

[Fritz]

Holy smokes. Orange Junius and Tony Moll made more than Bigby?

Wow.

[rbaloha1]

I seriously doubt Bigby was looking for a huge contract, just something longer term, perhaps with a modest bonus.

Bigby has been a starter for three seasons, yet has been basically a minimum wage player throughout his career. From 2006-2008 Charlie Peprah was paid as much as Bigby (actually a few thousand more, I think). Tony Moll was paid more. Junius Coston was paid more the years he was here. Will Blackmon makes more. Jarrett Bush has made more, and last year with his bonus, he made a half-million more than Bigby. Aaron Rouse made more in 2007 and 2008 than Bigby did. I could go on and on. The Packers stepped up just a little last year with Bigby, but with no bonus, so no guarantee, unlike what they did for Bush. Then this year, they gave him the least they could offer to make him stay.

Every drafted player has had bonus money they were guaranteed. Bigby's total bonuses? - $15,000. over three years. Yet he has been a starter.

I don't blame Bigby for trying to get a better deal. Not at all. I didn't blame Grant at all either. Players who come into the league undrafted generally play catchup for most of their careers, unless they become stars.

How many times did Bigby change agents? Rosenhaus always shoots for the stars.

Bigby thought by hiring Rosenhaus he could secure a big contract -- like Jennings and Collins.

[Patler]

Bigby thought by hiring Rosenhaus he could secure a big contract -- like Jennings and Collins.

I doubt that very, very much.

Actually, Rosenhaus has a very good reputation for getting deals done for typical players. Even at the time of the Walker fiasco, the Packers said Rosenhaus was one of the best agents to deal with because he moves things along.

It's only the high profile guys that Rosenhaus goes wild with.

[Patler]

Holy smokes. Orange Junius and Tony Moll made more than Bigby?

Wow.

Yup. Goes to show how much difference it makes to be drafted, whether you are any good as a pro or not.

[rbaloha1]

Bigby thought by hiring Rosenhaus he could secure a big contract -- like Jennings and Collins.

I doubt that very, very much.

Actually, Rosenhaus has a very good reputation for getting deals done for typical players. Even at the time of the Walker fiasco, the Packers said Rosenhaus was one of the best agents to deal with because he moves things along.

It's only the high profile guys that Rosenhaus goes wild with.

I do not recall the Packers complimenting Rosenhaus on the Walker deal especially since he was escalating the problems.

[Tarlam!]

Bigby thought by hiring Rosenhaus he could secure a big contract -- like Jennings and Collins.

I doubt that very, very much.

Actually, Rosenhaus has a very good reputation for getting deals done for typical players. Even at the time of the Walker fiasco, the Packers said Rosenhaus was one of the best agents to deal with because he moves things along.

It's only the high profile guys that Rosenhaus goes wild with.

I do not recall the Packers complimenting Rosenhaus on the Walker deal especially since he was escalating the problems.

News to me as well. I'm sure Patler has a source, though.

And I stand by my comments in this thread. TT has proven beyond a doubt by actions that he takes care of deserving players. Obviously Bigby and Colledge still haven't proven their value, except for their current deals.

[Patler]

Perhaps I was not clear. They didn't compliment Rosenhaus about the Walker situation, but said he is generally one of the best to work with. That he repesents a lot of other players, and gets things done.

That same off season, the Packers signed a couple other deals with Rosenhaus players.

[rbaloha1]

Perhaps I was not clear. They didn't compliment Rosenhaus about the Walker situation, but said he is generally one of the best to work with. That he repesents a lot of other players, and gets things done.

That same off season, the Packers signed a couple other deals with Rosenhaus players.

Which players?

[swede]

Bigby thought by hiring Rosenhaus he could secure a big contract -- like Jennings and Collins.

I doubt that very, very much.

Actually, Rosenhaus has a very good reputation for getting deals done for typical players. Even at the time of the Walker fiasco, the Packers said Rosenhaus was one of the best agents to deal with because he moves things along.

It's only the high profile guys that Rosenhaus goes wild with.

I do not recall the Packers complimenting Rosenhaus on the Walker deal especially since he was escalating the problems.

News to me as well. I'm sure Patler has a source, though.

And I stand by my comments in this thread. TT has proven beyond a doubt by actions that he takes care of deserving players. Obviously Bigby and Colledge still haven't proven their value, except for their current deals.

Patler is often careful to be precise about meaning. He did not say the Packers were complimentary about Rosenhaus and his role in the Walker deal. He said at the time of the Walker deal the Packers mentioned that Rosenhaus was a good agent to deal with.

In the context of the rest of Patler's post, I took it to mean that, in the mind of the Packers organization, Rosenhaus had a history of quick, fair work on contracts with low-profie players.

I guess the question is whether or not Drew, Atari and the Packers see Mr. Bigby as a big deal player or a low-profile player.

EDIT: This post has been rendered obsolete since Patler answered for his own damself.

[rbaloha1]

Bigby thought by hiring Rosenhaus he could secure a big contract -- like Jennings and Collins.

I doubt that very, very much.

Actually, Rosenhaus has a very good reputation for getting deals done for typical players. Even at the time of the Walker fiasco, the Packers said Rosenhaus was one of the best agents to deal with because he moves things along.

It's only the high profile guys that Rosenhaus goes wild with.

I do not recall the Packers complimenting Rosenhaus on the Walker deal especially since he was escalating the problems.

News to me as well. I'm sure Patler has a source, though.

And I stand by my comments in this thread. TT has proven beyond a doubt by actions that he takes care of deserving players. Obviously Bigby and Colledge still haven't proven their value, except for their current deals.

Patler is often careful to be precise about meaning. He did not say the Packers were complimentary about Rosenhaus and his role in the Walker deal. He said at the time of the Walker deal the Packers mentioned that Rosenhaus was a good agent to deal with.

In the context of the rest of Patler's post, I took it to mean that, in the mind of the Packers organization, Rosenhaus had a history of quick, fair work on contracts with low-profie players.

I guess the question is whether or not Drew, Atari and the Packers see Mr. Bigby as a big deal player or a low-profile player.

EDIT: This post has been rendered obsolete since Patler answered for his own damself.

Why do you hire Rosenhaus if end up just signing the tender? Why is Rosenhaus needed?

[swede]

I suspect that Rosenaus will get a good deal quickly for his Joe NFL guys and collect his ten percent. Win-win. Joe NFL guys can't afford to be holding out or they will lose their job. Drew gets it done.

Drew and the NFL teams build up some good will before they have to get into the tough contracts.

Just a guess.

Besides, just because your agent is Drew Rosenhaus doesn't mean you really get Drew Rosenhaus. Joe NFL probably gets Joe "Assistant to Mr. Rosenhaus" for 90% of the negotiations.