Harvin Collapses and Taken by Ambulance to Hospital

[superfan]

Okay, I hope the guy is okay. I do.

But I can't help but wonder...do Minny fans rip Rick Spielman for taking Harvin as an "injury risk" since he had the migraines in college too?

I would guess not, because despite the migraines he was very productive last year, good enough to earn NFC Rookie of the Year honors. And he looks to have a bright future if he can find a way to play through this condition.

I sense a Harrell comparison in your statement, which IMO is a non-comparison. Completely different situations, due mostly to on field results.

Of course there is probably a vocal but extreme minority subgroup of "Spielman haters" out there somewhere that are ripping the Harvin pick.

[Freak Out]

Okay, I hope the guy is okay. I do.

But I can't help but wonder...do Minny fans rip Rick Spielman for taking Harvin as an "injury risk" since he had the migraines in college too?

I would guess not, because despite the migraines he was very productive last year, good enough to earn NFC Rookie of the Year honors. And he looks to have a bright future if he can find a way to play through this condition.

I sense a Harrell comparison in your statement, which IMO is a non-comparison. Completely different situations, due mostly to on field results.

Of course there is probably a vocal but extreme minority subgroup of "Spielman haters" out there somewhere that are ripping the Harvin pick.

I'd trade Harrell for him....headaches, vomit and all.

[retailguy]

Hope he's OK. Don't like to see anyone get hurt.

Well, except for Warren Sapp anyhow...

[MichiganPackerFan]

Impressed with the quantity of "high road" posts here

[Fritz]

Okay, I hope the guy is okay. I do.

But I can't help but wonder...do Minny fans rip Rick Spielman for taking Harvin as an "injury risk" since he had the migraines in college too?

I would guess not, because despite the migraines he was very productive last year, good enough to earn NFC Rookie of the Year honors. And he looks to have a bright future if he can find a way to play through this condition.

I sense a Harrell comparison in your statement, which IMO is a non-comparison. Completely different situations, due mostly to on field results.

Of course there is probably a vocal but extreme minority subgroup of "Spielman haters" out there somewhere that are ripping the Harvin pick.

You are correct. I'm not sure the situations are quite as different as you think. I grant that Harvin was more productive, but in the limited time Harrell got on the field his first year, he showed promise -he just was on the field less. And if Harvin's migraines don't allow him to get on the field much any more, is that a poor pick? Or was one year's production enough to justify the pick?

I'm not picking on Harvin here. I'm interested in where lines get drawn as to when a pick is not the GM's fault (guy gets hurt who hasn't been hurt) and when it is. The line is not as clear as it might seem.

As for Harvin, I do hope he gets better. I don't wish migraines on anybody. Well, not on many people, anyway...

[Scott Campbell]

The buck stops with the GM, and that includes things like plain ole bad luck.

[SMACKTALKIE]

The buck stops with the GM, and that includes things like plain ole bad luck.

There were not many indications Harvin had migrane issues in College. The Vikings did their homework on him given his positive test for THC at the combine, which could be easier to explain now. They went as far as personal interviews with his family members.

That being said, as a Vikings fan I could not be happier with Spielman and his picks. He is on his 4th draft now and has selected 2 ROY's, 3 pro bowlers, and players that are key to the team like Brian Robison, LeTroy Guion, Phil Loadholt, John Sullivan, Jasper Brinkley, and Asher Allen. In his second year as VP of Player Personnel he orchestrated the trade for Jared Allen.

Spielman's track record speaks for itself.

[mraynrand]

Impressed with the quantity of "high road" posts here

I like to be the exception that proves the rule. But seriously, does anyone really want this guy to do poorly? I hope the guy recovers fully, for his sake and for the sake of the game. I want the Packers to beat the Packers at full strength. Leave no doubt!

[Tarlam!]

I'm interested in where lines get drawn as to when a pick is not the GM's fault (guy gets hurt who hasn't been hurt) and when it is. The line is not as clear as it might seem.

As for Harvin, I do hope he gets better. I don't wish migraines on anybody. Well, not on many people, anyway...

T-Murph is such a pick. How is a GM supposed to know a player has whatever spinal disease he has?

[MichiganPackerFan]

Impressed with the quantity of "high road" posts here

I like to be the exception that proves the rule. But seriously, does anyone really want this guy to do poorly? I hope the guy recovers fully, for his sake and for the sake of the game. I want the Packers to beat the Packers at full strength. Leave no doubt!

the did that enough during the mike sherman era. enough is enough.

[SMACKTALKIE]

According to WCCO news at noon, Harvin is at Winter Park for practice but not practicing. They said he looks well and is laughing and joking with coaches and players. Probably too early to say all is well, may possibly never be able to say that, but good signs for now.

[Fritz]

I'm interested in where lines get drawn as to when a pick is not the GM's fault (guy gets hurt who hasn't been hurt) and when it is. The line is not as clear as it might seem.

As for Harvin, I do hope he gets better. I don't wish migraines on anybody. Well, not on many people, anyway...

T-Murph is such a pick. How is a GM supposed to know a player has whatever spinal disease he has?

That's a good example. There was a thread here back when in which some posters suggested that the narrow spinal cord thing was or could have been known to Thompson, and thus Murhpy was a bad pick.

But it can cut both ways. The primary reason that the Vikes landed AP as far down as they did (wasn't he the #6 overall?) was because there were concerns about his....durability. And nobody in Minnesota is complaining about that pick (nor of course should they be).

Part of the draft is a crapshoot. Luck. If Harrell hadn't hurt his back lifting weights in the offseason, how would he be doing? We don't know.

Ultimately, it's on the GM but only because he's the one who pays with his job if his mistakes are compounded by bad luck. But I try to be careful not to blame a GM for I would think of as "bad luck" situations.

I think Jamaal Reynolds was a bad pick, and Justin Harrell was bad luck. But of course I could be wrong. It's possible had Harrell not hurt his back he'd suck anyway. We don't know.

Sorry to get this off track. So how 'bout that Percy Harvin, huh? Glad he's feeling better!

[ThunderDan]

I'm interested in where lines get drawn as to when a pick is not the GM's fault (guy gets hurt who hasn't been hurt) and when it is. The line is not as clear as it might seem.

As for Harvin, I do hope he gets better. I don't wish migraines on anybody. Well, not on many people, anyway...

T-Murph is such a pick. How is a GM supposed to know a player has whatever spinal disease he has?

That's a good example. There was a thread here back when in which some posters suggested that the narrow spinal cord thing was or could have been known to Thompson, and thus Murhpy was a bad pick.

But it can cut both ways. The primary reason that the Vikes landed AP as far down as they did (wasn't he the #6 overall?) was because there were concerns about his....durability. And nobody in Minnesota is complaining about that pick (nor of course should they be).

Part of the draft is a crapshoot. Luck. If Harrell hadn't hurt his back lifting weights in the offseason, how would he be doing? We don't know.

Ultimately, it's on the GM but only because he's the one who pays with his job if his mistakes are compounded by bad luck. But I try to be careful not to blame a GM for I would think of as "bad luck" situations.

I think Jamaal Reynolds was a bad pick, and Justin Harrell was bad luck. But of course I could be wrong. It's possible had Harrell not hurt his back he'd suck anyway. We don't know.

Sorry to get this off track. So how 'bout that Percy Harvin, huh? Glad he's feeling better!

I think it really is luck on some of the injury concerns. Do we not draft Sterling Sharpe? He had the same condition as T-Murph. It just took 6 or 7 years to be hit in the right way to end his career.

[mraynrand]

Impressed with the quantity of "high road" posts here

I like to be the exception that proves the rule. But seriously, does anyone really want this guy to do poorly? I hope the guy recovers fully, for his sake and for the sake of the game. I want the Packers to beat the Packers at full strength. Leave no doubt!

they did that enough during the mike sherman era. enough is enough.