Its Time for Hawk's Paycheck to Match Winning Performance

[get louder at lambeau]

Ya got a link to the story you got that from? A little context would help.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/101129659.html

Thanks. And yes, that DID put it in perspective. He said NONE of the LBs measured up to his new standards. That would include Bishop.

Why is Bishop not mentioned by name like Hawk?

Because he's not a starter? Because the only two LBs mentioned were the starters? Because Greg Bedard chose only the most interesting quotes to use? Who knows?

Good points. Is Barnett's starting position up for grabs like Hawk?

If he plays like he did against the Browns this week it might be. Check him out on the first play in the "highlights", where he just stands still looking into the backfield until the ball is caught right by him-
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...ers-highlights

Who else is available to compete against Barnett? Is the ilb a weak spot?

From what I've read/heard, Bishop would be a better Mack than Buck, meaning he'd be a better replacement for Barnett.

[Brandon494]

If Bishop and Hawk switched draft spots who would be starting?

[ThunderDan]

If Bishop and Hawk switched draft spots who would be starting?

Hawk. The coaches and GMs know their jobs are on the line and can't afford to keep the best players off of the field just because of draft position.

[Patler]

If Bishop and Hawk switched draft spots who would be starting?

It's clear what Bishop thinks!

[ND72]

Heard two things about Bishop while driving yesterday:

I think it was MM (maybe Capers, I've forgotten) who basically said Bishop has been playing mostly great, but in the first game totally blew his responsibilities twice. Then he said something to the effect of, "We just can't have that, but otherwise he has played great."

An interview with Bishop in which he said he tries to overlook the fact that because of "the cards he was dealt" in coming to GB he has never had a fair chance.

The "fair chance" comments keep coming from Bishop's mouth. Perhaps it is that attitude that retards his growth in overcoming the mistakes. If he can't accept his own shortcomings, will he ever improve them?

Ego maybe is Bishop's biggest obstacle. Dude has a real chance to underseat Hawk and sign a big contract.

A "big" contract? Kidding me? Bishop can't cover a bunny rabbit hit by a semi, which is why he can't get on the field on passing downs, and when he is in on passing downs, they need to blitz him, just to protect him. and all he can do is blow up leading guards in the 4th quarter of preseason games...that's why bishop isn't playing. I personally found it hilarious watching Joe Thomas pull around and with one arm pancake Bishop to the ground on one play last weekend.

I'm as big of a Hawk fan as anyone, but I also am realistic with it and know that he's not the worlds greatest LB. But I also know that Hawk is better than Bishop.

[SkinBasket]

He said NONE of the LBs measured up to his new standards. That would include Bishop.

I would see that as a failure of coaching. Either his standards are too high or his ability to coach his players to those standards is insufficient. Except for Poppinga, he just blows goats.

[get louder at lambeau]

He said NONE of the LBs measured up to his new standards. That would include Bishop.

I would see that as a failure of coaching. Either his standards are too high or his ability to coach his players to those standards is insufficient. Except for Poppinga, he just blows goats.

Moss is the Inside LB Coach, so he doesn't get any credit for Poppinga's improvement this offseason. It sounds like he's doing that standard management thing, and raising the goals to try to get more out of his employees. But yeah, the ILBs sucked this week, and it's his job to get them to not suck.

[Brandon494]

I believe Bishop is a better fit in the 3-4 over Hawk. Also last time I checked Hawk is not all that great at covering either. I don't know, maybe I'm being bias because I never liked the Hawk pick. Thought he was overrated coming out of Ohio State and so far seems to be the case.

[ThunderDan]

Would we even be having this conversation if .... after every 5th play Hawk did a samari dance or some other celebration?

I think because Hawk is such a lunch pail type of guy he never gets credit for what he actual does. After the 2 ints last year he went to the sidelines while his teammates jumped on him. No dance, no smacking his chest.

[Brandon494]

Would we even be having this conversation if .... after every 5th play Hawk did a samari dance or some other celebration?

I think because Hawk is such a lunch pail type of guy he never gets credit for what he actual does. After the 2 ints last year he went to the sidelines while his teammates jumped on him. No dance, no smacking his chest.

What does that have to do with anything?

Hes a top 5 pick that plays average at best. Just like most Ohio St players he was overrated coming out and Im not going to give him a pass just because hes a good guy.

[ThunderDan]

Would we even be having this conversation if .... after every 5th play Hawk did a samari dance or some other celebration?

I think because Hawk is such a lunch pail type of guy he never gets credit for what he actual does. After the 2 ints last year he went to the sidelines while his teammates jumped on him. No dance, no smacking his chest.

What does that have to do with anything?

Hes a top 5 pick that plays average at best. Just like most Ohio St players he was overrated coming out and Im not going to give him a pass just because hes a good guy.

It has everything to do with it. He isn't a flashy guy so it is hard to remember all the really good things he does.

What does Hawk being the 5th pick in the draft have to do with anything?

He is better than Bishop plain and simple.

[Fritz]

He said NONE of the LBs measured up to his new standards. That would include Bishop.

I would see that as a failure of coaching. Either his standards are too high or his ability to coach his players to those standards is insufficient. Except for Poppinga, he just blows goats.

Now there's a visual.

[mraynrand]

If the coaches are seriously considering replacing Hawk with Bishop, even just in the nickel, they had better give him considerable reps against starting offenses in the preseason.

[Pugger]

Would we even be having this conversation if .... after every 5th play Hawk did a samari dance or some other celebration?

I think because Hawk is such a lunch pail type of guy he never gets credit for what he actual does. After the 2 ints last year he went to the sidelines while his teammates jumped on him. No dance, no smacking his chest.

What does that have to do with anything?

Hes a top 5 pick that plays average at best. Just like most Ohio St players he was overrated coming out and Im not going to give him a pass just because hes a good guy.

It has everything to do with it. He isn't a flashy guy so it is hard to remember all the really good things he does.

What does Hawk being the 5th pick in the draft have to do with anything?

He is better than Bishop plain and simple.

This the problem some folks have with Hawk. Because he was taken so high they think he's garbage because he isn't the second coming of Ray Lewis. I have no problem with him. He's on the field, playing hard, doing what his coaches ask, is not a diva and he's not on a police blotter.

[Brandon494]

He might be better than Bishop but its no doubt that Bishop has more potential and thats why Id rather have Bishop get more playing time. So just because Hawk doesn't dance I don't notice his play? Give me a break, the dude rarely makes impact plays and can't cover any better than Bishop but hey he sure is assignment sure.