Its Time for Hawk's Paycheck to Match Winning Performance

[ThunderDan]

He might be better than Bishop but its no doubt that Bishop has more potential and thats why Id rather have Bishop get more playing time. So just because Hawk doesn't dance I don't notice his play? Give me a break, the dude rarely makes impact plays and can't cover any better than Bishop but hey he sure is assignment sure.

How many times last year did he eat a guard to allow Barnett to make the tackle? How many times did he run an X blitz as the first man thru to eat the RB picking up the blitzer to let Barnett get the sack or pressure?

Those aren't highlight reel plays but they are exactly what he is assigned to do. That allows other players to then be in a position to make the play.

Bishop would run thru the wrong hole, the guard would get his body on Barnett and the RB is running against the Safeties for a TD.

[rbaloha1]

Would we even be having this conversation if .... after every 5th play Hawk did a samari dance or some other celebration?

I think because Hawk is such a lunch pail type of guy he never gets credit for what he actual does. After the 2 ints last year he went to the sidelines while his teammates jumped on him. No dance, no smacking his chest.

What does that have to do with anything?

Hes a top 5 pick that plays average at best. Just like most Ohio St players he was overrated coming out and Im not going to give him a pass just because hes a good guy.

It has everything to do with it. He isn't a flashy guy so it is hard to remember all the really good things he does.

What does Hawk being the 5th pick in the draft have to do with anything?

He is better than Bishop plain and simple.

Hawk does not do enough good things -- that is why Capers opened up the position.

LBs rarely get picked as high as Hawk. A pick this high means Urlacher and Willis type impact. Not just running around being assignment sure.

Coach Capers does not agree with your assessment that Hawk is better at this moment.

[ThunderDan]

Coach Capers does not agree with your assessment that Hawk is better at this moment.

Really? Then why is Hawk starting in the base D?

[rbaloha1]

Coach Capers does not agree with your assessment that Hawk is better at this moment.

Really? Then why is Hawk starting in the base D?

For now. Lets see when the season starts. Coach Capers has clearly stated Bishop will be given every opportunity to win the position.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Been hearing so long about how Hawk is about to be replaced but yet it never seems to happen.

[rbaloha1]

Been hearing so long about how Hawk is about to be replaced but yet it never seems to happen.

Its the first time a legitimate player can challenge Hawk. If DB can beat-out Hawk the Packers his career in GB is done.

[Fritz]

This thread is being hijacked. I thought it was about Winston Moss blowing goats.

[packerbacker1234]

Would we even be having this conversation if .... after every 5th play Hawk did a samari dance or some other celebration?

I think because Hawk is such a lunch pail type of guy he never gets credit for what he actual does. After the 2 ints last year he went to the sidelines while his teammates jumped on him. No dance, no smacking his chest.

What does that have to do with anything?

Hes a top 5 pick that plays average at best. Just like most Ohio St players he was overrated coming out and Im not going to give him a pass just because hes a good guy.

THis is why he was considered a "safe pick", and why it upset so many people. You knew he wasn't going to blow balls, but you also figured he most likely wasn't going to be a stud either. Hence, a safe pick. Guarenteed to not really be bust, but wont be a game changer either.

I don't hate hawk, he is an okay LB and could start for several other teams. He just does not compliment barnett at all, and thats not a good problem to have.

[swede]

What a weak first round draft!

Even with the full benefit of hindsight there were only one or two players in the whole first round that are clearly performing better than Hawk. Haloti Ngata is the only other defensive player I'd covet from that draft from pick five on. I just can't work up any regret for taking Hawk when we did IN THAT DRAFT CLASS!

Colledge with the next pick...hmmmm?

[PlantPage55]

If Bishop and Hawk switched draft spots who would be starting?

Welcome to the forum, Desmond!

[Lurker64]

What a weak first round draft!

Even with the full benefit of hindsight there were only one or two players in the whole first round that are clearly performing better than Hawk. Haloti Ngata is the only other defensive player I'd covet from that draft from pick five on. I just can't work up any regret for taking Hawk when we did IN THAT DRAFT CLASS!

Colledge with the next pick...hmmmm?

And yet, that year was widely hyped as one of the "BEST DRAFT CLASSES EVER" I think in large part because of the huge hype some of the offensive guys (Leinart, Bush, Young) had coming out. Pretty fair to say that's one of the most overhyped (and hence underwhelming) draft classes of all time.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Bishop = most overrated Packer ever

Seriously, the coaches don't have much faith him in him, and every chance he gets in a meaningful situation (e.g. not preseason) he's been a complete failure. He brings none of the big plays from preseason, but he brings all of the inconsistency. Yet, there are those that think he's on the cusp of greatness. I'd say the chances are quite high that he'll NEVER be a considered a solid starter in the league.

[Fred's Slacks]

Bishop = most overrated Packer ever

Seriously, the coaches don't have much faith him in him, and every chance he gets in a meaningful situation (e.g. not preseason) he's been a complete failure. He brings none of the big plays from preseason, but he brings all of the inconsistency. Yet, there are those that think he's on the cusp of greatness. I'd say the chances are quite high that he'll NEVER be a considered a solid starter in the league.

While I agree with alot of this Harv, one thing is not correct. He has made some big plays in the regular season. The Viking game sticks out (the same one that he gave up the big TD on his first play in the game). On a forth a inches, he stuffed AD in the backfield and forced a fumble. On a third and short against Houston a couple of years ago he stuffed the RB in the backfield to force a punt. So, I'm not sold that he's any better than average at this point, but he has made plays when it matters.

[RashanGary]

I'm going to bring back up one of Patler's posts. Bishop feels he's a mistreated victim. Instead of focusing on and talking about the things he needs to fix, he's spending his time complaining that he's not on the field.

There are people who are just really healthy thinkers, always focused on what they can do next, never really worried or stressed. They have a, "do something about it attitude". When they do, "do something", it's not a backhanded shot, it's just good, natural communication.


Bishop seems like the type of person who could have a hard time fitting in and a hard time staying focused on the right things.

[Fritz]

My guess is that as fans we love to see and therefore focus upon the eye-popping plays - the big hits, the interceptions, the guy shooting the gap and tackling someone for a loss. And those are great plays. But I suspect we underestimate the importance of consistency, at least in certain positions. We can see at wide receiver or quarterback that consistency is necessary. You can't make a spectacular catch but then drop a bunch of footballs.

But at some positions that might be harder to see. I'm thinking defensive line or linebacker. So maybe lots of us love Bishop's big play streak but we don't see as well as the coaches do how much damage he does to the team when he misses an assignment.