Its Time for Hawk's Paycheck to Match Winning Performance

[RashanGary]

The Packers cut Brian Brohm and kept Flynn on the 53 in their ROOKIE years. I don't think the Packers are all too concerned about draft status. That is Bishop feeling sorry for himself and pouting. That's probably not the reality. We'll see. Bishop will leave here after this year and we'll see if he's a great player in the league. I doubt he'll even be good.

[SkinBasket]

This thread is being hijacked. I thought it was about Winston Moss blowing goats.

Poppinga blows goats.

Winston is just another well-liked, but overrated, black coach.

[ThunderDan]

My guess is that as fans we love to see and therefore focus upon the eye-popping plays - the big hits, the interceptions, the guy shooting the gap and tackling someone for a loss. And those are great plays. But I suspect we underestimate the importance of consistency, at least in certain positions. We can see at wide receiver or quarterback that consistency is necessary. You can't make a spectacular catch but then drop a bunch of footballs.

But at some positions that might be harder to see. I'm thinking defensive line or linebacker. So maybe lots of us love Bishop's big play streak but we don't see as well as the coaches do how much damage he does to the team when he misses an assignment.

That's exactly what I was trying to get at. Doing your job in Hawk's roll is eating a lot of blockers to let Barnett clean up behind him. That Hawk had as many tackles as he did last year shows that he is winning that 1-on-1 battle more than his fair share.

Just got a DVR this week and can't wait to tape the Packer game tonight and really watch all of the ILB play on the Packers.

[Fritz]

This thread is being hijacked. I thought it was about Winston Moss blowing goats.

Poppinga blows goats.

Winston is just another well-liked, but overrated, black coach.

Just like Wade Phillips.

[rbaloha1]

My guess is that as fans we love to see and therefore focus upon the eye-popping plays - the big hits, the interceptions, the guy shooting the gap and tackling someone for a loss. And those are great plays. But I suspect we underestimate the importance of consistency, at least in certain positions. We can see at wide receiver or quarterback that consistency is necessary. You can't make a spectacular catch but then drop a bunch of footballs.

But at some positions that might be harder to see. I'm thinking defensive line or linebacker. So maybe lots of us love Bishop's big play streak but we don't see as well as the coaches do how much damage he does to the team when he misses an assignment.

That's exactly what I was trying to get at. Doing your job in Hawk's roll is eating a lot of blockers to let Barnett clean up behind him. That Hawk had as many tackles as he did last year shows that he is winning that 1-on-1 battle more than his fair share.

If this is true why is the position open?

[Gunakor]

Doing your job in Hawk's roll is eating a lot of blockers to let Barnett clean up behind him.

I'm not sure that's the case anymore. In Bob Sanders' defense that was his job and he was good at it. In this defense his role seems to be different. He's a run stopper, an occasional blitzer, and works in pass coverage. The beef up front should be commanding most of the blocks now.

[ThunderDan]

Doing your job in Hawk's roll is eating a lot of blockers to let Barnett clean up behind him.

I'm not sure that's the case anymore. In Bob Sanders' defense that was his job and he was good at it. In this defense his role seems to be different. He's a run stopper, an occasional blitzer, and works in pass coverage. The beef up front should be commanding most of the blocks now.

In Sanders D Hawk had to control the edge behind the RE and push the play back to the middle. If the FB went wide and there was a gap to shoot Hawk had to go to the outside and engage the FB to stop the RB from being able to attack the edge.

In a 3-4 the OLB are protecting the edge and with only 3 down linemen either the G or a FB runs free to the 2nd level most of the time. The ILB that the free player comes thru has to stalemate or win that match-up. This is where you need a NG to draw the double team or the 3-4 is fucked because 2 players can get free runs to block on the 2nd level. Hawk is in the base D because he is good at getting the draw and by the number of solo tackles he had last year he won the battle a lot.

The Packers were number 1 against the run last year. It had a lot to do with Pickett commanding the double team and the other players on the D being assignment sure to close the gaps. As Wist says, I too am nervous about Raji moving to NG. That maybe his natural position but I need to see him command the double team this preseason.

[retailguy]

The Packers cut Brian Brohm and kept Flynn on the 53 in their ROOKIE years. I don't think the Packers are all too concerned about draft status. That is Bishop feeling sorry for himself and pouting. That's probably not the reality. We'll see. Bishop will leave here after this year and we'll see if he's a great player in the league. I doubt he'll even be good.

Well, considering I agree with your point, I question whether or not I should point this out. Both QB's made the team their rookie year. Brohm was put on the practice squad after his first season.

[get louder at lambeau]

Poppinga blows goats.

So that makes Bush, Bigby, Poppinga, who else?

[SkinBasket]

Poppinga blows goats.

So that makes Bush, Bigby, Poppinga, who else?

Well, that's pretty much my vote for Team Fucktard right there, which isn't surprising if you take a look at my posts over the past few years. Poppinga's become much less of a problem since his playing time has been limited by the other LBs. Noah Herron and Patrick Dendy used to fill out the rest of the roster, with Jason Hunter on the bench, but alas, we've upgraded those spots. From what I've seen of Bush this preseason, he's still the fastest guy down the field to do nothing (always the bridesmaid when it comes to tackling), and the more I don't see of Bigby, the better this season looks.

The newest candidates look like Bishop, even though I love him, and Donald Lee. But we got a couple more junk games to see the depraved depths of this roster yet before I can finalize the team.

[Fritz]

I like it: "Team Fucktard."

Sounds like the name of Lance Armstrong's next racing team.

[pbmax]

So after Bishop's struggles, is there still sentiment to move him ahead of Hawk?

[rbaloha1]

So after Bishop's struggles, is there still sentiment to move him ahead of Hawk?

Bishop showed nothing to warrant starter status. However it would be nice to see Bishop play with the entire first unit.

[ThunderDan]

So after Bishop's struggles, is there still sentiment to move him ahead of Hawk?

Bishop showed nothing to warrant starter status. However it would be nice to see Bishop play with the entire first unit.

He was playing behind the starting D-Line. The running plays all should have developed exactly like they would have.

[Joemailman]

Hawk is one of those guys a lot of people don't appreciate until he isn't in there. Bishop is not close to Hawk.