Winners and Losers Versus Seattle?

[Fritz]

As usual, I get better information from Packerrats than from the JSO or GBPG. Several posters last night mentioned some winners and losers, and I appreciate that. Here's what I've gleaned from their posts:

Winners:

Matt "Mike" Flynn - played well, had some nice throws, though one or two sailed. Still, people seem comfortable with him.

B-Jack - Changed his habits and looked sharp last night again. He took it up a notch this preseason and carried on with that last night.

Rodgers - 'nuff said

Finley - see above

Bulaga - I think he made one or two mistakes but the posters who saw the game said he played well.

Most of the offensive line

"James" Mason Crosby - he hit them solid and kickoffs appear good.

Losers:

Giacomini - got blasted by pretty much everyone posting on the game thread. He seems to be 2010's Allen Barbre.

Allen Barbre - he seems to be 2010's Allen Barbre.

Jarret Bush - big surprise here. Committed some penalties, got burned on ST and as a corner.

Brandon Underwood - ruh-roh, Rastro. Posters said he seemed out of position, didn't understand the defense, and generally (thank you Skin for the expression_ blew goats.

Morgan Burnett - looked like a rookie last night.

Pat Lee - did not get mentioned much, but the few mentions suggested he wasn't doing much. That's my perception at least of what was said or not said.

Desmond Bishop - Mr. August played like it was November.

Warren Moon - apparently the guy botched almost every Packer name. Gordy Nelson. Mike Flynn. Etcetera.

Winner and Loser:

Sam Shields - he can't hang on to a punt or kickoff, apparently. But he played well as a gunner and apparently played well as a CB. Posters suggested last night he could make the team as long as they don't let him near the football on a punt or kickoff.

Now, some players I'd like to hear about:

How did each punter do?

I read that Justin Harrell played. How did he look?

How bad or good did Pat Lee look? As bad as Underwood?

Mike Neal

Did Marshall Newhouse and EDS do enough to convince MM to dump Giacomini and Barbre immediately?

[falco]

I continue to think BJ can deliver the mail on a regular basis.

[Fred's Slacks]

Re: Winners and Losers Versus Seattle?

Losers:

Giacomini - got blasted by pretty much everyone posting on the game thread. He seems to be 2010's Allen Barbre.

Allen Barbre - he seems to be 2010's Allen Barbre.

More proof that this coaching staff needs proven prospects. We can't develop a project here. Time to just take that as fact and stop drafting projects (or get a OL coach who can do the job).

As for some of your other questions: Punters look pretty good. As long as the guy we end up keeping can carry it into the regular season, we will be better than last year.

Didn't notice Harrell much. Saw he got some pressure and forced a throw away outside of the pocket, but it was kind of late and look more like good coverage.

Neal made at least one impressive play. He walked a lineman back and with a little help from Zombo got a TFL. I thought he was getting some pressure as well. At this point I think he looks clearly better than Harrell.

On my own note, and maybe this is obvious but they really need to keep Sheilds away from the return game. He's not natural there but it looks like he could be a pretty good corner and gunner on specials. Let him work there excusively. I understand the intrigue of having a guy with his speed return kicks but not only does he have trouble fielding the ball, but even when he fields it clean he is not elusive and looks pedestrian as a returner. Scrap the return idea, and be happy you found a potentially good corner in UDFA.

[Joemailman]

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Did Marshall Newhouse and EDS do enough to convince MM to dump Giacomini and Barbre immediately?

No, but Giacomini and Barbre did. Neither can be counted on to protect Rodgers. Buh-bye.

Punters: Pretty sure Bryan was holding for kicks last night. Perhaps coincidence, perhaps not, but Crosby had a great night. The battle might come down to who is the best holder.

Bulaga: I thought he passed Colledge last night. Not that Colledge did anything wrong, but Bulaga is a beast. Strong with good feet.

[Patler]

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Didn't notice Harrell much. Saw he got some pressure and forced a throw away outside of the pocket, but it was kind of late and look more like good coverage.

Neal made at least one impressive play. He walked a lineman back and with a little help from Zombo got a TFL. I thought he was getting some pressure as well. At this point I think he looks clearly better than Harrell.

I wasn't able to watch the game yet, but pregame reports said Harrell didn't make the trip, and was allowed to stay home with his wife and new born child.

[Fred's Slacks]

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Didn't notice Harrell much. Saw he got some pressure and forced a throw away outside of the pocket, but it was kind of late and look more like good coverage.

Neal made at least one impressive play. He walked a lineman back and with a little help from Zombo got a TFL. I thought he was getting some pressure as well. At this point I think he looks clearly better than Harrell.

I wasn't able to watch the game yet, but pregame reports said Harrell didn't make the trip, and was allowed to stay home with his wife and new born child.

No, he was definately there. I have it on DVR so I'd like to go back and watch him closely but the first time through, I didn't notice much from him.

[pbmax]

Bryan has been better in practice than the other guy on holds. Not sure if that is conclusive as I suspect that if the punter is questionable for holding, Flynn probably gets the job.

Pat Lee, in two or three plays in the second half looked good. He did not get written up by the papers as having been torched by Hasselback in the first half. By inference, he might have had the better game compared to Underwood, who got torched a couple of times early.

Francois was apparently getting roughed up in the first half, but he had the nicest close I have seen in years from a Packers linebacker on a dumpoff to a RB. Now he may not have dropped deep enough and simply lucked into playing bad technique on the correct play, but he seems to have good quickness.

I think Zombo might be able to get to the QB at this level. At least enough to not allow the QB seven seconds.

On Brandon Jackson's first big run (left) after Porter got hurt, someone drove a Packer's O lineman into the backfield; from the Packer right I think. Anyone see who it was?

It was nice to see BJack have some plays, but he was a vet going against 3rd string, so temper all expectations accordingly.

Giacomini did have some better success against the 2s in the second half.

[pbmax]

Re: Winners and Losers Versus Seattle?

Didn't notice Harrell much. Saw he got some pressure and forced a throw away outside of the pocket, but it was kind of late and look more like good coverage.

Neal made at least one impressive play. He walked a lineman back and with a little help from Zombo got a TFL. I thought he was getting some pressure as well. At this point I think he looks clearly better than Harrell.

I wasn't able to watch the game yet, but pregame reports said Harrell didn't make the trip, and was allowed to stay home with his wife and new born child.

No, he was definately there. I have it on DVR so I'd like to go back and watch him closely but the first time through, I didn't notice much from him.

I forgot him. He played most of the second half that I saw. At least 1 1/2 quarters. He simply cannot be moved head on. Maybe laterally. And he can get to the QB on a second effort. He was hustling to the ball on some plays outside his area. He looked ... healthy. (kiss of death right there)

He would be a huge boon to the line. Physically he is different that everyone other than Pickett.

[MTPackerfan]

Bryan has been better in practice than the other guy on holds. Not sure if that is conclusive as I suspect that if the punter is questionable for holding, Flynn probably gets the job.

Pat Lee, in two or three plays in the second half looked good. He did not get written up by the papers as having been torched by Hasselback in the first half. By inference, he might have had the better game compared to Underwood, who got torched a couple of times early.

Francois was apparently getting roughed up in the first half, but he had the nicest close I have seen in years from a Packers linebacker on a dumpoff to a RB. Now he may not have dropped deep enough and simply lucked into playing bad technique on the correct play, but he seems to have good quickness.

I think Zombo might be able to get to the QB at this level. At least enough to not allow the QB seven seconds.

On Brandon Jackson's first big run (left) after Porter got hurt, someone drove a Packer's O lineman into the backfield; from the Packer right I think. Anyone see who it was?

It was nice to see BJack have some plays, but he was a vet going against 3rd string, so temper all expectations accordingly.

Giacomini did have some better success against the 2s in the second half.

Pretty sure it 78 Barbre who got blow back on BJacks run.

[mraynrand]

Bryan has been better in practice than the other guy on holds. Not sure if that is conclusive as I suspect that if the punter is questionable for holding, Flynn probably gets the job.

Pat Lee, in two or three plays in the second half looked good. He did not get written up by the papers as having been torched by Hasselback in the first half. By inference, he might have had the better game compared to Underwood, who got torched a couple of times early.

Francois was apparently getting roughed up in the first half, but he had the nicest close I have seen in years from a Packers linebacker on a dumpoff to a RB. Now he may not have dropped deep enough and simply lucked into playing bad technique on the correct play, but he seems to have good quickness.

I think Zombo might be able to get to the QB at this level. At least enough to not allow the QB seven seconds.

On Brandon Jackson's first big run (left) after Porter got hurt, someone drove a Packer's O lineman into the backfield; from the Packer right I think. Anyone see who it was?

It was nice to see BJack have some plays, but he was a vet going against 3rd string, so temper all expectations accordingly.

Giacomini did have some better success against the 2s in the second half.

Pretty sure it 78 Barbre who got blow back on BJacks run.

Yep. He looked awful. Bulaga even tried to help him out on a complete whiff. Barbre shouldn't be allowed to play tackle - no QB is that worthless that you can put him at risk like that - except maybe Jerry Babb.

[RashanGary]

I love how Rodgers is playing this preseason. Go watch the highlights the last couple weeks. Everything he does, he does with confidence. The way he drops back is picture perfect. It could be Tom Brady, Joe Montana or Aaron Rodgers. Same every time. The way he stands in the pocket, the confidence, it's like everything is happening in slow motion. When he escapes the pocket or roles he's athletic but calm as hell still looking down field. His release is extremely quick. When he decides to unload the ball, it's instantly gone. His arm strength is excellent. His decision making has been shockingly quick and it's not that he's just getting rid of it, they're getting out quick and getting right where they need to be. The chemistry with the receivers. . . Everybody is expecting the ball, nobodies dropping it. He's leading guys so they catch it in stride. He's throwing behind a guy to help him avoid the hit from an on coming safety.

All across Rodgers game, there is comfort, confidence and detail. Rodgers is in the top 5 for MVP odds this year. The way he's playing, it reminds me of Manning shredding our defense a few years ago or Drew Brees I think it was 2 years ago. . . . His throws, his decision making, his athletic ability. . . He's an elite NFL superstar and he's about to break out. That's the best part, as good as he's been, he's about to break out.

Every team that wins the SB needs to be pretty healthy. We're one of the elite SB front runners this year and it starts with our greatest player and maybe the guy playing the best football in the entire NFL, Aaron Rodgers.

4,900 yards
41 TD's

That's my prediction. MVP

[pbmax]

Bryan has been better in practice than the other guy on holds. Not sure if that is conclusive as I suspect that if the punter is questionable for holding, Flynn probably gets the job.

Pat Lee, in two or three plays in the second half looked good. He did not get written up by the papers as having been torched by Hasselback in the first half. By inference, he might have had the better game compared to Underwood, who got torched a couple of times early.

Francois was apparently getting roughed up in the first half, but he had the nicest close I have seen in years from a Packers linebacker on a dumpoff to a RB. Now he may not have dropped deep enough and simply lucked into playing bad technique on the correct play, but he seems to have good quickness.

I think Zombo might be able to get to the QB at this level. At least enough to not allow the QB seven seconds.

On Brandon Jackson's first big run (left) after Porter got hurt, someone drove a Packer's O lineman into the backfield; from the Packer right I think. Anyone see who it was?

It was nice to see BJack have some plays, but he was a vet going against 3rd string, so temper all expectations accordingly.

Giacomini did have some better success against the 2s in the second half.

Pretty sure it 78 Barbre who got blow back on BJacks run.

Yep. He looked awful. Bulaga even tried to help him out on a complete whiff. Barbre shouldn't be allowed to play tackle - no QB is that worthless that you can put him at risk like that - except maybe Jerry Babb.

I saw Barbre get plowed when he was at Left Guard. But I did not see him on the right side. But I couldn't catch the number, so it may be a lost cause.

[pbmax]

I think the 2nd preseason game is a little early for MVP talk. Rodgers looked lights out last preseason as well, and then could not sync with his line for 8 games out of the chute. Its early, but it does look promising.

[Tony Oday]

Bryan has been better in practice than the other guy on holds. Not sure if that is conclusive as I suspect that if the punter is questionable for holding, Flynn probably gets the job.

Pat Lee, in two or three plays in the second half looked good. He did not get written up by the papers as having been torched by Hasselback in the first half. By inference, he might have had the better game compared to Underwood, who got torched a couple of times early.

Francois was apparently getting roughed up in the first half, but he had the nicest close I have seen in years from a Packers linebacker on a dumpoff to a RB. Now he may not have dropped deep enough and simply lucked into playing bad technique on the correct play, but he seems to have good quickness.

I think Zombo might be able to get to the QB at this level. At least enough to not allow the QB seven seconds.

On Brandon Jackson's first big run (left) after Porter got hurt, someone drove a Packer's O lineman into the backfield; from the Packer right I think. Anyone see who it was?

It was nice to see BJack have some plays, but he was a vet going against 3rd string, so temper all expectations accordingly.

Giacomini did have some better success against the 2s in the second half.

Pretty sure it 78 Barbre who got blow back on BJacks run.

Yep. He looked awful. Bulaga even tried to help him out on a complete whiff. Barbre shouldn't be allowed to play tackle - no QB is that worthless that you can put him at risk like that - except maybe Jerry Babb.

T.J. Rubly

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Bryan has been better in practice than the other guy on holds. Not sure if that is conclusive as I suspect that if the punter is questionable for holding, Flynn probably gets the job.

Pat Lee, in two or three plays in the second half looked good. He did not get written up by the papers as having been torched by Hasselback in the first half. By inference, he might have had the better game compared to Underwood, who got torched a couple of times early.

Francois was apparently getting roughed up in the first half, but he had the nicest close I have seen in years from a Packers linebacker on a dumpoff to a RB. Now he may not have dropped deep enough and simply lucked into playing bad technique on the correct play, but he seems to have good quickness.

I think Zombo might be able to get to the QB at this level. At least enough to not allow the QB seven seconds.

On Brandon Jackson's first big run (left) after Porter got hurt, someone drove a Packer's O lineman into the backfield; from the Packer right I think. Anyone see who it was?

It was nice to see BJack have some plays, but he was a vet going against 3rd string, so temper all expectations accordingly.

Giacomini did have some better success against the 2s in the second half.

Pretty sure it 78 Barbre who got blow back on BJacks run.

Yep. He looked awful. Bulaga even tried to help him out on a complete whiff. Barbre shouldn't be allowed to play tackle - no QB is that worthless that you can put him at risk like that - except maybe Jerry Babb.

that was beyond pathetic. i don't even think barbre touched the guy. it also led to a sack and fumble