Winners and Losers Versus Seattle?

[ThunderDan]

I am just rewatching the game this afternoon and I am impressed with Scott Wells game this week. He took on the DTs 1 on 1 with minimal help from the G and moved his man numerous times. For a guy I assume is an average center in the league he does a lot of stuff very well.

[Brohm]

Harrell held his own pretty good. Consistently double-teamed and handled it well. Got some pressure at times. Shed the double team when Whitehurst was flushed and forced the throw. As long as the back holds out (or the coaches believes it will hold out) he will be in the rotation.

[ThunderDan]

Don't see how you can put Matt Fylnn as a winner when he goes 10-20 with an INT.

Last couple preseason games, Flynn actually played better than his stat line would suggest. A certain amount of a quarterback's success hinges on who he's actually got playing around him. Having Breno Giacomini blocking for you and Jason Chery attempt to catch your passes isn't going to help any NFL QB.

Flynn was 7/10 for 92 yards with the 2s. After they started 2s and 3s in the 2nd half he was 3/10 with an INT.

[mraynrand]

What is with the curse of Packer punters (and teams?) Two GMs and two punters that rub our noses in it for at least a decade. First Wolf lets Craig Hentrich go, and Thompson tried to outdo him by letting Ryan bolt. Just because the guy struggled in that absurd game in Chicago. And I won't even mention Rossum (oops). Don't these guys remember how important special teams are? You would think they completely forgot about 1996 and how special teams completely determined the outcome of a Divisional game, and iced the Superbowl.

Losers: people who forget the importance of special teams.

[mission]

Don't see how you can put Matt Fylnn as a winner when he goes 10-20 with an INT.

Last couple preseason games, Flynn actually played better than his stat line would suggest. A certain amount of a quarterback's success hinges on who he's actually got playing around him. Having Breno Giacomini blocking for you and Jason Chery attempt to catch your passes isn't going to help any NFL QB.

Flynn was 7/10 for 92 yards with the 2s. After they started 2s and 3s in the 2nd half he was 3/10 with an INT.

Flynn could do just fine with our 1s. I got a sense last night that he was outplaying the guys he was playing with. There were a couple nice plays in there but for the most part, the WRs, were comical in traffic, got no separation and showed no ball skills.

Almost felt sorry for him a couple times.

[CaptainKickass]

Thanks for the info!

Stick a fork in Barbe. Wow.

Harrell - please stay healthy. but none of us is holding his or her breath, I don't think. Still, we can hope.

So did Bryan punt well last night? Sounds like he's a better holder, but from what I read in the JSO Masthay has better distance and hang time - slightly.

Which one is less likely to shank a punt?

Have you been watching this offense? My prediction...we don't keep a punter.
This offense scores everytime they touch the ball this season. Punting debate....ENDED.

Havner could probably punt in a pinch.

He also should be the punt and kickoff returner. And it goes without saying, Wildcat and emergency QB.

Frankenbacker deserves not only his own thread, but has shown his value to this team. Who's the last Packer you remember that not only played offense, defense, AND special teams, but did a convincing job? No way he doesn't make the team.

I'm on the record as disliking Jarrett Bush - and that dude needs to be cut last year. Or the year before.

I hope all this "we're playing vanilla Defense" is true. If we keep getting torched in the secondary, could be a season of shootouts. Hell - the way the NFL rules are - it'll probably be a season of shootouts for most teams with a formidable passing offense.

[gbgary]

Don't see how you can put Matt Fylnn as a winner when he goes 10-20 with an INT.

Last couple preseason games, Flynn actually played better than his stat line would suggest. A certain amount of a quarterback's success hinges on who he's actually got playing around him. Having Breno Giacomini blocking for you and Jason Chery attempt to catch your passes isn't going to help any NFL QB.

Flynn was 7/10 for 92 yards with the 2s. After they started 2s and 3s in the 2nd half he was 3/10 with an INT.

Flynn could do just fine with our 1s. I got a sense last night that he was outplaying the guys he was playing with. There were a couple nice plays in there but for the most part, the WRs, were comical in traffic, got no separation and showed no ball skills.

Almost felt sorry for him a couple times.

he had his moments. with the #1s he might be able to hold the fort a game or two if the unthinkable happens.

[pbmax]

What is with the curse of Packer punters (and teams?) Two GMs and two punters that rub our noses in it for at least a decade. First Wolf lets Craig Hentrich go, and Thompson tried to outdo him by letting Ryan bolt. Just because the guy struggled in that absurd game in Chicago. And I won't even mention Rossum (oops). Don't these guys remember how important special teams are? You would think they completely forgot about 1996 and how special teams completely determined the outcome of a Divisional game, and iced the Superbowl.

Losers: people who forget the importance of special teams.

Don't forget Josh Bidwell living well in Tampa for several years.

[rbaloha1]

Re: Winners and Losers Versus Seattle?

As usual, I get better information from Packerrats than from the JSO or GBPG. Several posters last night mentioned some winners and losers, and I appreciate that. Here's what I've gleaned from their posts:

Winners:

Matt "Mike" Flynn - played well, had some nice throws, though one or two sailed. Still, people seem comfortable with him.

Somewhat agree. Not at Hasselbeck, Brunell and Brooks status as Favre backups but getting there. Premature to label as the best qb backup.

B-Jack - Changed his habits and looked sharp last night again. He took it up a notch this preseason and carried on with that last night.

Agreed

Rodgers - 'nuff said

noted.

Finley - see above

noted
Bulaga - I think he made one or two mistakes but the posters who saw the game said he played well.

agreed.

Most of the offensive line

yes

"James" Mason Crosby - he hit them solid and kickoffs appear good.

yes.
Losers:

Giacomini - got blasted by pretty much everyone posting on the game thread. He seems to be 2010's Allen Barbre.

Still makes the roster.

Allen Barbre - he seems to be 2010's Allen Barbre.

gone.

Jarret Bush - big surprise here. Committed some penalties, got burned on ST and as a corner.

improving. the young dudes are still confused out there. bush probably makes the team.

Brandon Underwood - ruh-roh, Rastro. Posters said he seemed out of position, didn't understand the defense, and generally (thank you Skin for the expression_ blew goats.

Not ready as a nickel

Morgan Burnett - looked like a rookie last night.

Disagree. Playing well enough to keep starting position. The light shall go on soon.

Pat Lee - did not get mentioned much, but the few mentions suggested he wasn't doing much. That's my perception at least of what was said or not said.

Mixed results. Looks more comfortable than Underwood.

Desmond Bishop - Mr. August played like it was November.

An unremarkable performance that does not place him in position to overtake Hawk. Keep quiet and play.

Warren Moon - apparently the guy botched almost every Packer name. Gordy Nelson. Mike Flynn. Etcetera.

Winner and Loser:

Sam Shields - he can't hang on to a punt or kickoff, apparently. But he played well as a gunner and apparently played well as a CB. Posters suggested last night he could make the team as long as they don't let him near the football on a punt or kickoff.

Finished as a returner. Poor ball awareness when the ball is in the air during passes over his head.

Now, some players I'd like to hear about:

How did each punter do?

I read that Justin Harrell played. How did he look?

How bad or good did Pat Lee look? As bad as Underwood?

Mike Neal

Did Marshall Newhouse and EDS do enough to convince MM to dump Giacomini and Barbre immediately?

Newhouse bends knees well and could be the lt of the future. Built more like a guard but is playing well at lt. Nice pick.

[ThunderDan]

Re: Winners and Losers Versus Seattle?

Newhouse bends knees well and could be the lt of the future. Built more like a guard but is playing well at lt. Nice pick.

I totally agree. The 3rd string line looked good other than Barbre and Breno.

[HarveyWallbangers]

So did Bryan punt well last night? Sounds like he's a better holder, but from what I read in the JSO Masthay has better distance and hang time - slightly.

I guess I don't understand this. Up until the game, all reports had Masthay being vastly superior on holds. Every kick, you'd read that Crosby missed one but that Bryan was the holder. Like he was such a shitty holder, that it was to be expected.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Last couple preseason games, Flynn actually played better than his stat line would suggest. A certain amount of a quarterback's success hinges on who he's actually got playing around him. Having Breno Giacomini blocking for you and Jason Chery attempt to catch your passes isn't going to help any NFL QB.

I agree. He looked solid when Swain and Nelson were in there. He dropped off when the no name receivers came in.

[pbmax]

So did Bryan punt well last night? Sounds like he's a better holder, but from what I read in the JSO Masthay has better distance and hang time - slightly.

I guess I don't understand this. Up until the game, all reports had Masthay being vastly superior on holds. Every kick, you'd read that Crosby missed one but that Bryan was the holder. Like he was such a shitty holder, that it was to be expected.

Slocum refused to get drawn into what it meant, though the reports said that Bryan had been holding more often in practice as well. It would seem to be a test if its happening in practice as well. I also remember that Masthay had the edge in the hold department earlier due to his experience with American football.

[sharpe1027]

Barbre is gone. They tried him at just about every position on the line and he messed up across the board.

[Pugger]

Barbre is gone. They tried him at just about every position on the line and he messed up across the board.

We can only hope...