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    http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/24/foo...-managers.html
    The NFL's Best General Managers
    Tom Van Riper, 08.25.10, 06:00 PM EDT

    The Colts' Bill Polian has set himself apart by winning consistently with one of the league's lowest payrolls.

    When it comes to keeping an NFL team on top, the basic formula is simple, according to Indianapolis Colts President and General Manager Bill Polian.

    "You get people who are smart, tough, with strong work ethics," he says. "And you want those who feel that football is important to them." The Colts, Super Bowl champions in 2006-2007, are 39-9 over the past three years despite a payroll that was the fifth-lowest in the NFL over that span. That makes Polian the NFL's top general manager by a landslide.

    While drafting high-quality tough guys is always good, there's also the matter of navigating the league salary cap, making the loss of key players inevitable. "The system is designed to weaken good teams," Polian says. To compensate, he sticks to a few simple guidelines: Prioritize at quarterback, corner, offensive tackle and pass rusher, on the grounds that running backs, offensive guards and receivers are more replaceable.

    Example: After eight-time Pro Bowl receiver Marvin Harrison retired following the 2008 season, Polian and his team replaced him with Pierre Garcon, who they found in the sixth round of the 2008 draft out of Mount Union College in Ohio. Garcon, making less than $500,000, became a favorite target of All-Pro quarterback Peyton Manning last season, catching 47 passes for 765 yards to help Indianapolis reach the Super Bowl.

    Polian's history as a top NFL executive goes back a quarter-century. Upon taking over as general manager of a weak Buffalo Bills club in 1985, he used draft picks (Bruce Smith, Thurman Thomas) and acquisitions (Jim Kelly, Cornelius Bennett) to turn the team into a powerhouse that played in four Super Bowls by 1993. His next team, the expansion Carolina Panthers of 1995, reached the NFC title game in their second season.

    Our methodology for measuring the NFL's top general managers: won-lost record vs. payroll rank over the past three seasons, with bonus points awarded for playoff appearances, Super Bowl appearances and championships. With NFL payroll disparities somewhat limited by salary cap rules, the formula tends to place more weight on winning than on payroll. So a higher-spending GM who wins tends to get more bang for the buck than one squeezing a .500 record out of a low payroll (the opposite is generally true in Major League Baseball, where payrolls vary much more widely). Hence the inclusion of New Orleans' Mickey Loomis in ninth place and Pittsburgh's Kevin Colbert in fourth, both big spenders but also the winners of the last two Super Bowls.

    One caveat on eligibility: Because teams often turn over their top football execs pretty frequently, those who upgraded from high-level posts like player personnel director to GM within the past three years were included. For example, the No. 3 GM on our list, the Kansas City Chiefs' Scott Pioli, was a force behind the New England Patriots' modern dynasty as a vice president and player personnel director.

    Pioli took over in Kansas City last season, where he traded for New England backup quarterback Matt Cassel to be his starter. The Chiefs improved modestly, to 4-12 from 2-14 in 2008. Time will tell whether Pioli can complete the Chiefs' rebuilding job. But with his fingerprints all over the New England juggernaut--enough for the Pats to give him a raise and contract extension in 2005 to ward off suitors waving general manager jobs--he shouldn't be overlooked.

    Others who stand out: at No. 2, the New York Giants' Jerry Reese, who's churned out two playoff teams--including a Super Bowl champion--with a middle-of-the-pack payroll, and Green Bay's Ted Thompson at No. 6, 30-18 over the past three years with the NFL's 10th-lowest payroll.

    Colts fans, meanwhile, just hope Polian continues to find hidden gems. In addition to Garcon, last year's Super Bowl roster included starting safeties Melvin Bullitt, an undrafted free agent in 2007, and Antoine Bethea, a sixth-round pick out of Howard University in 2006. Nothing beats Peyton Manning as franchise quarterback, but surrounding him with talent on a budget is the hard part.

    10. Rob Bzrezinski – Minnesota Vikings
    9. Mickey Loomis – New Orleans Saints
    8. Mike Reinfeldt – Tennessee Titans
    7. Jerry Jones – Dallas Cowboys
    6. Ted Thompson – Green Bay Packers
    5. A.J. Smith – San Diego Chargers
    4. Kevin Colbert – Pittsburgh Steelers
    3. Scott Pioli – Kansas City Chiefs
    2. Jerry Reese – New York Giants
    1. Bill Polian – Indianapolis Colts

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    Scott Pioli? Not much to work with in an evaluation. You have to parse very finely to separate out Pioli's success in New England from Belicheck's direction. We'll see. Nice to see Thompson get mentioned. But I think he is valued more outside the state than in.
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by pbmax
      Scott Pioli? Not much to work with in an evaluation. You have to parse very finely to separate out Pioli's success in New England from Belicheck's direction. We'll see. Nice to see Thompson get mentioned. But I think he is valued more outside the state than in.
      I think the Thompson hate is greatly exaggerated by a few trolls who flood the JS and GBPG message boards.

      There are a great majority here who like him a lot. I'd say we'd even rate him higher than 6 for the most part.
      Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by JustinHarrell
        Originally posted by pbmax
        Scott Pioli? Not much to work with in an evaluation. You have to parse very finely to separate out Pioli's success in New England from Belicheck's direction. We'll see. Nice to see Thompson get mentioned. But I think he is valued more outside the state than in.
        I think the Thompson hate is greatly exaggerated by a few trolls who flood the JS and GBPG message boards.

        There are a great majority here who like him a lot. I'd say we'd even rate him higher than 6 for the most part.
        I think Thompson has done an exceptional job of putting together a young and talented team whle puting the team in excellen finaical standng - and done it the right way.

        I don't think you can give him enough credit for te way he handled the Favre fiasco, and how things have turned out. I'd rate him higher myself (and I think he'll rise up this list farther in the coming years), but I also don't disagree with those who say the Packers need to win a championship or two before he is acknowledged as beig in Polian's class, who's excelled th same way Thompson has, but for longer.

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        • #5
          How the hell did Jerry Jones make it to #7??? Did they forget about all the 5-11 seasons??
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          • #6
            My thought exactly. Jerry Jones? And I wonder - does he really do all the heavy scouting, poring over reports, and draft then? Or is he like us fans, where he reads a few paragraphs on a few guys, then makes his picks?
            "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

            KYPack

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            • #7
              Outside of Pioli, TT has been on the job the shortest time. This list aparently was generated from a simple formula using wins versus cost. I don't think it is a fair evaluation for TT, who only has 5 drafts under his belt. There were some rebuilding years in there for TT but not for most of the other guys.

              The biggest problem with the list is the omission of Ozzie Newsome. Replace Jones with him and you are looking better. Also, I don't think Reinfeldt has really proven enough already to make it on the list.

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              • #8
                Surely everyone's forgotten Al Davis on their respective lists

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                • #9
                  On the other hand, you could argue that Jones has gotten his team to the playoffs a few times. BTW, is he in title the GM as well as de facto GM?
                  "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                  KYPack

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Fritz
                    On the other hand, you could argue that Jones has gotten his team to the playoffs a few times. BTW, is he in title the GM as well as de facto GM?
                    Here is a list of the guys JJ has drafted since Parcells left:

                    Victor Butler
                    Tashard Choice
                    Stephen McGee
                    Stephen Hodge
                    Sean Lissemore
                    Sean Lee
                    Sam Young
                    Robert Brewster
                    Orlando Scandrick
                    Nick Folk
                    Mike Mickens
                    Mike Jenkins
                    Michael Hamlin
                    Martellus Bennett
                    Manuel Johnson
                    John Phillips
                    Jason Williams
                    James Marten
                    Jamar Wall
                    Isaiah Stanback
                    Felix Jones
                    Erik Walden
                    Doug Free
                    Dez Bryant
                    Deon Anderson
                    DeAngelo Smith
                    David Buehler
                    Courtney Brown
                    Brandon Williams
                    Anthony Spencer
                    Alan Ball
                    Akwasi Owusu-Ansah


                    I see three that jump out at me as good picks. Prior to Parcells, here is the list 4 years before parcels:

                    Andre Gurode
                    Antonio Bryant
                    Antonio Fleming
                    Bob Slowikowski
                    Char-ron Dorsey
                    Colston Weatherington
                    Daleroy Stewart
                    Darren Hambrick
                    Dat Nguyen
                    Derek Ross
                    Deveren Johnson
                    Dwayne Goodrich
                    Ebenezer Ekuban
                    Flozell Adams
                    Greg Ellis
                    Hundens Zellner
                    Izell Reese
                    Jamar Martin
                    John Nix
                    Kareem Larrimore
                    Kelvin Garmon
                    Mario Edwards
                    Markus Steele
                    MarTay Jenkins
                    Matt Lehr
                    Michael Myers
                    Michael Wiley
                    Mike Lucky
                    Oliver Ross
                    Orantes Grant
                    Quincy Carter
                    Ralph Hunter
                    Rodrick Monroe
                    Solomon Page
                    Tarik Smith
                    Tony Dixon
                    Tyson Walter
                    Wane McGarity
                    Willie Blade

                    I only see 4 names of decent contributers.

                    Throw in the trade for a WR that Matt Millen liked and the signing of TO and I think you have to drop Jerry Jones down to about the lower half of GMs.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Forbes Magazine's NFL's Best General Managers

                      Originally posted by vince
                      http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/24/foo...-managers.html
                      The NFL's Best General Managers
                      Tom Van Riper, 08.25.10, 06:00 PM EDT

                      The Colts' Bill Polian has set himself apart by winning consistently with one of the league's lowest payrolls.

                      When it comes to keeping an NFL team on top, the basic formula is simple, according to Indianapolis Colts President and General Manager Bill Polian.

                      "You get people who are smart, tough, with strong work ethics," he says. "And you want those who feel that football is important to them." The Colts, Super Bowl champions in 2006-2007, are 39-9 over the past three years despite a payroll that was the fifth-lowest in the NFL over that span. That makes Polian the NFL's top general manager by a landslide.

                      While drafting high-quality tough guys is always good, there's also the matter of navigating the league salary cap, making the loss of key players inevitable. "The system is designed to weaken good teams," Polian says. To compensate, he sticks to a few simple guidelines: Prioritize at quarterback, corner, offensive tackle and pass rusher, on the grounds that running backs, offensive guards and receivers are more replaceable.

                      Example: After eight-time Pro Bowl receiver Marvin Harrison retired following the 2008 season, Polian and his team replaced him with Pierre Garcon, who they found in the sixth round of the 2008 draft out of Mount Union College in Ohio. Garcon, making less than $500,000, became a favorite target of All-Pro quarterback Peyton Manning last season, catching 47 passes for 765 yards to help Indianapolis reach the Super Bowl.

                      Polian's history as a top NFL executive goes back a quarter-century. Upon taking over as general manager of a weak Buffalo Bills club in 1985, he used draft picks (Bruce Smith, Thurman Thomas) and acquisitions (Jim Kelly, Cornelius Bennett) to turn the team into a powerhouse that played in four Super Bowls by 1993. His next team, the expansion Carolina Panthers of 1995, reached the NFC title game in their second season.

                      Our methodology for measuring the NFL's top general managers: won-lost record vs. payroll rank over the past three seasons, with bonus points awarded for playoff appearances, Super Bowl appearances and championships. With NFL payroll disparities somewhat limited by salary cap rules, the formula tends to place more weight on winning than on payroll. So a higher-spending GM who wins tends to get more bang for the buck than one squeezing a .500 record out of a low payroll (the opposite is generally true in Major League Baseball, where payrolls vary much more widely). Hence the inclusion of New Orleans' Mickey Loomis in ninth place and Pittsburgh's Kevin Colbert in fourth, both big spenders but also the winners of the last two Super Bowls.

                      One caveat on eligibility: Because teams often turn over their top football execs pretty frequently, those who upgraded from high-level posts like player personnel director to GM within the past three years were included. For example, the No. 3 GM on our list, the Kansas City Chiefs' Scott Pioli, was a force behind the New England Patriots' modern dynasty as a vice president and player personnel director.

                      Pioli took over in Kansas City last season, where he traded for New England backup quarterback Matt Cassel to be his starter. The Chiefs improved modestly, to 4-12 from 2-14 in 2008. Time will tell whether Pioli can complete the Chiefs' rebuilding job. But with his fingerprints all over the New England juggernaut--enough for the Pats to give him a raise and contract extension in 2005 to ward off suitors waving general manager jobs--he shouldn't be overlooked.

                      Others who stand out: at No. 2, the New York Giants' Jerry Reese, who's churned out two playoff teams--including a Super Bowl champion--with a middle-of-the-pack payroll, and Green Bay's Ted Thompson at No. 6, 30-18 over the past three years with the NFL's 10th-lowest payroll.

                      Colts fans, meanwhile, just hope Polian continues to find hidden gems. In addition to Garcon, last year's Super Bowl roster included starting safeties Melvin Bullitt, an undrafted free agent in 2007, and Antoine Bethea, a sixth-round pick out of Howard University in 2006. Nothing beats Peyton Manning as franchise quarterback, but surrounding him with talent on a budget is the hard part.

                      10. Rob Bzrezinski – Minnesota Vikings
                      9. Mickey Loomis – New Orleans Saints
                      8. Mike Reinfeldt – Tennessee Titans
                      7. Jerry Jones – Dallas Cowboys
                      6. Ted Thompson – Green Bay Packers
                      5. A.J. Smith – San Diego Chargers
                      4. Kevin Colbert – Pittsburgh Steelers
                      3. Scott Pioli – Kansas City Chiefs
                      2. Jerry Reese – New York Giants
                      1. Bill Polian – Indianapolis Colts
                      Nice List....2, and 5 made their name using the talent their predecessor aquired. 3 made his name off BB I guess. 1 happened to have the #1 pick when the greatest QB ever was available. I know very little about 4 and 7 is a joke to have on that list.....he chose TO over Parcells.

                      Forbes should stick to rich people.
                      The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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