Concerns for 2010 (No Particular Order)

[bobblehead]

I'm a little surprised by all the "concern" around here. This team is poised on the brink of greatness. Ted has installed his chosen players into each area of this team.

We need to accept the fact that if he thought we needed better players (especially starters) he'd have went out an acquired them.

There is no legitimate reason, especially at this point, for this team not to be successful. We should be competitive in every single game, and quite honestly should win the majority of them.

Every team has holes, after all this is the NFL. Our holes should not preclude us from a championship season!

I know this is sarcasm but /sarcasm off and I agree 100%. Will we win it all...can never guarantee that, but competitive all the way and win the majority....absolutely.

[Bossman641]

Re: Concerns for 2010 (No Particular Order)

1. ILB next to Barnett. Bishop is not the answer. Can Chillar play an entire season at this position? Can Hawk start forcing turnovers? Is Hawk second team?

2. Tramon Williams. Obviously the dude is going to be picked-on. Against better receivers he is consistently beat.

3. Nickel db. Maybe its Shields. Underwood makes too many mistakes. Lee is okay but has not stepped-up.

4. Backup to Grant. Jackson gets hurt and fumbles. The other 2 are unproven in the regular season.

5. Returners except for Blackmon.

Omissions or deletions?

Hawk will be starting at ILB, he didn't play until 2nd half vs. colts to "save" him because he's a little banged up right now. He's fine. His role isn't to force turnovers on this defense anymore, it's as a lead block stuffer, that's his ILB position. Barnett is meant to make the tackles.

Is that really why Hawk didn't play in the 1st half? I thought it was because the Packers sat in nickel and dime all half to match up with the Colts.

[sharpe1027]

What is really getting old is listening to you guys tell me for the last 4 years that this team was getting set up and ready, and now, just weeks before we enter the season, hearing the very same people scale back their predictions.

Fretting about Finley getting injured is ridiculous. Fretting about Hawk? Pathetic. He's started for the past 4 seasons, and is solid but not spectacular.

Legitimate concern at the number 3 corner perhaps, but if it was an issue, TED WOULD HAVE SOLVED IT. HE HAS HAD THE WHOLE OFFSEASON. He has therefore assessed that we have adequate personnel to man the position.

As in prior years, our team goes as far as the OL takes us. I believe you, THE PROBLEM IS SOLVED. You have assured me that I will be impressed, and I am watching with great expectation.

Solving potential personnel issues only requires identifying them as potential issues. It is as simple as that, no need to consider whether or not there are adequate solutions in the free agency or draft. Just find the potential issues then it is a simple matter of signing those players refusing to sign for other teams just in case GreenBay decides to ask them to play. I mean, HE HAD THE WHOLE OFFSEASON, so clearly there is no reason not to have starter quality backups at every position.

Also, it is pretty obvious that there's never any mistakes made in predicting how well a player transitions to the NFL or how much they will improve over previous years. Frankly, I am astounded that any team ever loses a game. This GM thing is a piece of cake, ever team should go 16-0 every year. That's my prediction for this year, every team in the league goes 16-0.

[pbmax]

So if I have stood up for Thompson and think him good at his job, to be consistent I must believe its Super Bowl this year. Anything else is a disappointment and a repudiation of all that I believe as a Thompson supporter?

Seems entirely reasonable to me.

[retailguy]

TT has made his share of mistakes, like any GM. One can argue the merits and flaws of his methods. But its unfair to expect any GM to be able to fill every hole each year and make perfect personnel decision everytime. It a continually evolving body of work.

If it was so easy to fill every hole every year, every GM would do it, right? Even Super Bowl champions have holes. It's up to the coaches to compensate. The one thing that neither a GM nor coach can really plan for is an abundance of injuries. I'm talking little nicks here and there, but several injuries to your best players. No matter who you put on the roster, you aren't going to find backups that aren't a significant dropoff from your best players.

I made that comment in the context of the 3rd Cornerback. Harris was injured MID SEASON LAST YEAR. It was not a surprise. It was not a shock. We all witnessed what happened in AZ. It was predictable that day that teams would expose that weakness this season.

Ted did not address the problem in any way shape or form outside of the walls of Lambeau. It is reasonable to conclude from that, one of two things, A. - He did not view it as a problem, or B. - he believed that the talent level in the building would address the issue.

It is further not reasonable to assume that Ted was "unable" to fill a 3rd cornerback position. It isn't like the "goal" was to replace Woodson. Or even Harris. Williams is as good a fill in as exists in the NFL. We're filling a PART TIME position. Depth that actually PLAYS.

But all of you are concerned about the 3rd cornerback. I'm saying Ted IS NOT concerned, or he'd have done something. Therefore, I shouldn't be concerned, so I'm dismissing it.

No sarcasm, hypocrisy, or other drama.

[retailguy]

So if I have stood up for Thompson and think him good at his job, to be consistent I must believe its Super Bowl this year. Anything else is a disappointment and a repudiation of all that I believe as a Thompson supporter?

Seems entirely reasonable to me.

Bullshit.

[retailguy]

I'm a little surprised by all the "concern" around here. This team is poised on the brink of greatness. Ted has installed his chosen players into each area of this team.

We need to accept the fact that if he thought we needed better players (especially starters) he'd have went out an acquired them.

There is no legitimate reason, especially at this point, for this team not to be successful. We should be competitive in every single game, and quite honestly should win the majority of them.

Every team has holes, after all this is the NFL. Our holes should not preclude us from a championship season!

I know this is sarcasm but /sarcasm off and I agree 100%. Will we win it all...can never guarantee that, but competitive all the way and win the majority....absolutely.

Relating to the Packers and their performance on the field, my post was ABSOLUTELY NOT SARCASM.

It is the year. I believe that.

If you look at every position on this team, the person filling the role was handpicked by Ted Thompson. Every position except Barnett and Clifton, has been "challenged" during Ted's regime. He either resigned the existing starter, or brought in his own person. The depth on this team is entirely Thompson's doing.

Now, watching those who for the past FOUR years touted Ted's GENIUS work ethic, his "can do no wrong" moves, his quiet "passion" for the GM position, start to back off their bold predictions, it is HILARIOUS.

Finley getting injured? REALLY? You've got to fucking kidding me. We have FOUR tight ends. We have a very strong WR corps. We've got (according to them) a TOP 5 NFL running back.

On the defense, we have Dom Capers, who is the second coming of Christ. We have two solid nose tackles, a stellar DE who has some injury problems, the returning ROY from the past 10 games of last season, two solid ILB's, and the DPOY at corner. We have the worlds best 3rd round draft pick, playing with a 4th year pro bowl starter, and a nickle back holding a corner spot until our other pro bowl corner returns.

So what are we talking about?

Finely getting hurt.
Hawk underachieving.
our nickle and dime corners.
and our fucking holder.

ARE YOU SERIOUS? :P

You have got to be fucking kidding me. The holder!

[RashanGary]

Retail, I don't think very many people are taking your seriously. Back off the ledge, dude.

[retailguy]

Retail, I don't think very many people are taking your seriously. Back off the ledge, dude.

This makes absolutely no sense.

[sharpe1027]

I made that comment in the context of the 3rd Cornerback. Harris was injured MID SEASON LAST YEAR. It was not a surprise. It was not a shock. We all witnessed what happened in AZ. It was predictable that day that teams would expose that weakness this season.

Ted did not address the problem in any way shape or form outside of the walls of Lambeau. It is reasonable to conclude from that, one of two things, A. - He did not view it as a problem, or B. - he believed that the talent level in the building would address the issue.

It is further not reasonable to assume that Ted was "unable" to fill a 3rd cornerback position. It isn't like the "goal" was to replace Woodson. Or even Harris. Williams is as good a fill in as exists in the NFL. We're filling a PART TIME position. Depth that actually PLAYS.

But all of you are concerned about the 3rd cornerback. I'm saying Ted IS NOT concerned, or he'd have done something. Therefore, I shouldn't be concerned, so I'm dismissing it.

No sarcasm, hypocrisy, or other drama.

Or C. He saw more value in shoring up other positions.
Or D. There weren't any nickel DBs available that were certain to pan, anymore than the guys they already had.
Or E. He successfully went after a guy like Shields, that might be good enough to fill in.
Or F. Harris is/was expected to be back early.
Or G. He tried to go after a few guys and failed, but it wasn't made public.
Or H. He wasn't concerned until the current set of guys didn't improve as much as he was expecting and now he is more concerned.
Or I. He is eyeing up a few potential cuts or trades from other teams.
Or J. Any combination of A-I.

I probably missed somethings in there. I have to disagree that the ONLY possible conclusion that can be reached is that TT has zero concern whatsoever for the DB position.

TT probably has some concerned about every single position on the roster. It is his job.

[retailguy]

Well, your post settles it then.

2-14, here we come.


How about

'Z' - We're fine there! or "We've got some depth that can play".

The things you guys are talking about in this thread are not "issues", they're excuses.

[pbmax]

Ted has installed his chosen players into each area of this team.

Sorry RG, but when I read chosen, in my head you are making finger quotes and rolling your eyes. I also cannot believe that you still think OL is the biggest concern for the team.

[sharpe1027]

Now, watching those who for the past FOUR years touted Ted's GENIUS work ethic, his "can do no wrong" moves, his quiet "passion" for the GM position, start to back off their bold predictions, it is HILARIOUS.

IMHO, that is not representative of the current topic or most posters' statements regarding TT. Genius is almost always thrown about by people making straw man arguments, not by people on the other side. This thread is about concerns, it is not about "backing off" of anything. It is entirely reasonable for people to have concerns about their team, even when they expect them to succeed.

[sharpe1027]

Well, your post settles it then.

2-14, here we come.


How about

'Z' - We're fine there! or "We've got some depth that can play".

The things you guys are talking about in this thread are not "issues", they're excuses.

Your shoving words into people's mouths.

[falco]

When did RetailGuy and JustinHarrell trade personas??