Concerns for 2010 (No Particular Order)

[retailguy]

My complaints rest with the rest of the GM job. I don't think he's a strong leader and I think some of his hiring decisions are questionable. His media personna is abysmal, and I really dislike him as an individual.

Really, you dislike the individual? You are smarter than this. I have never thought of you as one of those deluded folks who believe the people they see on TV or hear on the radio are really a part of their lives. Like their neighbor or best friend. That they really can tell from the public's perspective that someone is a good person, well meaning or misunderstood, or plain evil.

Why can't you just dislike the approach? You aren't necessarily wrong if the team has a good season and I believe some of your criticism has merit. Why make it personal and an either-or proposition?

Ted hides behind secrecy at unnecessary times. I do not believe that communicating fairly with the media, even on occasion, would harm this team. Yet, it goes on and on and on.

I believe it speaks to his character. That's why I said what I said. Would be happy to be wrong, but I've been watching it for 4 years now and it doesn't change. I honestly think he enjoys saying nothing. The fact he does it for no reason (or very little reason) pisses me off.

Maybe Ted's just an introvert.

Either that, or an asshole. :P

[retailguy]

Ok man, your freaking out because we have concerns about our team and your trying to put it on TT for not building a perfect team. Pick out any team and I'll point out a weakness. I wanted TT to go after a CB and pass rusher this offseason as well but you ever think that the top players don't want to come to Green Bay? Your not going to build a winner thru FA in Green Bay because honestly non of the top players want to come here. Even Woodson didn't want to play for us but we were the only team to give him a big offer. Your also not going to build a winner in GB by signing a bunch of has beens like Adalius Thomas.

You seem to be having difficulty comprehending simple conversation. This is almost directly backwards to what I'm saying. I would suggest that you translate this thread using babelfish, into whatever language you spoke in your remarks above.

In simple english - follow closely - THIS TEAM AS IT IS, IS GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN THE SUPER BOWL. TODAY, I SEE ZERO REASONS WHY THIS TEAM SHOULD NOT BE COMPETITIVE AND BE IN A POSITION TO WIN EVERY SINGLE GAME THIS YEAR. EVERY NFL TEAM HAS HOLES, BUT OURS ARE SMALLER THAN MOST OTHER TEAMS.

[RashanGary]

Well, there have been a number in this thread, but lets stick with 2 for now, ok?

19-0

This team goes as far as the OL takes them.

How is the OL going to do? No matter what happens, you can sit and claim the OL took them there. How is the OL going to play? What does that mean for the record? If they win 11 games does that mean they had a good OL? If they win the SB does that mean they had a great OL.

Sounds to me like you have a couple of unmeasurable predictions that you're wearing as a mask to hide how weak your stance is and also to undermine the job that has been done here the last 5 years.

Like Partial before you, you can sit here and act like you have a strong opinion, but 90% of the people here just aren't buying it. You're only convincing yourself.


As for the rest of us, we're excited about a big year where we're one of the top SB contenders heading into the season. I, for one, think the hype is legit. The Packers are a good to great team and only on the rise.

[retailguy]

Well, there have been a number in this thread, but lets stick with 2 for now, ok?

19-0

This team goes as far as the OL takes them.

How is the OL going to do? No matter what happens, you can sit and claim the OL took them there. How is the OL going to play? What does that mean for the record? If they win 11 games does that mean they had a good OL? If they win the SB does that mean they had a great OL.

Sounds to me like you have a couple of unmeasurable predictions that you're wearing as a mask to hide how weak your stance is and also to undermine the job that has been done here the last 5 years.

Like Partial before you, you can sit here and act like you have a strong opinion, but 90% of the people here just aren't buying it. You're only convincing yourself.


As for the rest of us, we're excited about a big year where we're one of the top SB contenders heading into the season. I, for one, think the hype is legit. The Packers are a good to great team and only on the rise.

If Rodgers winds up on his back 50 times again this season, you really aren't going to claim (again) that it's Rodgers fault for "holding the ball" again, are you?

We will have a "great" OL if they are in the top 25% of the league in sacks allowed and hurries.

Honestly, I just want them to provide adequate protection. That ought to be pretty clear even to your 29 year old eyes.

Last time I checked, 19-0 was fairly measurable. Much more measurable than your statement above about being "pointed in the right direction" anyhow. You're the king of "generic" predictions Justin, so you ought to know.

Which direction would that be? I expect Super Bowls. 10 wins or 11 wins every year followed by a quick playoff exit isn't going to cut it. Not in Green Bay.

Bobblehead had a great one. Anything less than the NFCC game would be a disappointment. that's a good one.

Today, I think if they lose that game, it's a disappointment.

90%? You had a poll without me? Yeah, OK. Love your "source" on that one.

[get louder at lambeau]

You just said you have no complaints with Thompson on personnel, then voiced a complaint, then said "I think I'm being incredibly consistent here."

You're trying to make something out of nothing. I know it's difficult, but do try to keep up. ok?

I'm not trying to make anything out of anything. I'm just laughing at you.

Wow, I thought you were more on the ball than that. More than a few are now laughing at you.

You, your mom, who else?

[RashanGary]

RG, you know damn well no team in the NFL is going to go 19-0. You're setting up some big expectation so that anything less than SB is a tremendous failure.


Sheesh. The Packers are finally an elite contender and all we can do is sit around here and bitch. I thought that was going to go away when they started winning. Now they're winning and you're still bitching.

Sherman go canned because the cap, age and general trend of the team was showing signs of great concern. His records were fine while he was here. It was what he was giving up long term each year that everyone saw catching up to him. That's why he was fired.

Unlike Sherman, Thompson's 11-5 playoff exit is with a crapload of cap space to keep building and on the shoulders of the youngest team and the best young QB in the league that he drafted.

You're just confused. Thompson does have time. You just can't see why. That's a you thing, Everyone else gets it.

[retailguy]

RG, you know damn well no team in the NFL is going to go 19-0. You're setting up some big expectation so that anything less than SB is a tremendous failure.


Sheesh. The Packers are finally an elite contender and all we can do is sit around here and bitch. I thought that was going to go away when they started winning. Now they're winning and you're still bitching.

Sherman go canned because the cap, age and general trend of the team was showing signs of great concern. His records were fine while he was here. It was what he was giving up long term each year that everyone saw catching up to him. That's why he was fired.

Unlike Sherman, Thompson's 11-5 playoff exit is with a crapload of cap space to keep building and on the shoulders of the youngest team and the best young QB in the league that he drafted.

You're just confused. Thompson does have time. You just can't see why. That's a you thing, Everyone else gets it.

Two years ago, I'd have believed you. What does that Pats team that went 18-1 have that we don't have? where are they better? Seriously?

What's wrong with 19-0? So we go 14-2 secure 1st round bye, go into Super Bowl and win. That'd probably be ok.

Stop trying to tamp back the expectations. You've got 17 weeks to watch good football.

Honest question Justin. Let's say the bottom falls out of this season for inexplicable reasons, and just like 2008 they finish 6-10. How will you feel and what will that do to your arrow that's "pointing up"?

Please note, I don't think that's happening, but you seem fearful of what's happening this season. I just am trying to understand your ping pong ball thought process. Your talk today doesn't match your talk the past two years. what's changed Justin?

[retailguy]

You just said you have no complaints with Thompson on personnel, then voiced a complaint, then said "I think I'm being incredibly consistent here."

You're trying to make something out of nothing. I know it's difficult, but do try to keep up. ok?

I'm not trying to make anything out of anything. I'm just laughing at you.

Wow, I thought you were more on the ball than that. More than a few are now laughing at you.

You, your mom, who else?

OOOO. Good one! I stopped talking/thinking this way when I left grade school. But, maybe it is past your bedtime? Really, this is getting old. I didn't know you were so intellectually challenged. It is really quite sad when you think about it.

[Bossman641]

Since when does pointed in the right direction mean 19-0?

I don't disagree that you have sometimes took unnecessary grief around here, but who shit in your oatmeal this morning?

[RashanGary]

RG against the world, haha.

[get louder at lambeau]

You just said you have no complaints with Thompson on personnel, then voiced a complaint, then said "I think I'm being incredibly consistent here."

You're trying to make something out of nothing. I know it's difficult, but do try to keep up. ok?

I'm not trying to make anything out of anything. I'm just laughing at you.

Wow, I thought you were more on the ball than that. More than a few are now laughing at you.

You, your mom, who else?

OOOO. Good one! I stopped talking/thinking this way when I left grade school. But, maybe it is past your bedtime? Really, this is getting old. I didn't know you were so intellectually challenged. It is really quite sad when you think about it.

Sorry, retail, but you're the idiot in this thread. It's clear to everyone who has posted here but you. I'm just having fun watching them kick the village idiot around. Good luck with your thinly-veiled wishes for Packer failure. Then you'll show em that you were right all along!

[retailguy]

Since when does pointed in the right direction mean 19-0?

I don't disagree that you have sometimes took unnecessary grief around here, but who shit in your oatmeal this morning?

Honestly, he's trying to "nail my predictions down". then he follows it up with "pointing in the right direction". WTF?

So what are the expectations this year? Seriously. I am reading early in this thread some ridiculous fears. No basis in reality. No basis in fact. We should be excited about this season. The team is ready.

No one shit in my oatmeal. It's been juvenile attack after juvenile attack today.

I've listened to this shit on the other side of the fence for 4 years now, and today, now I hear things that sound like "lets not get the expectations too high". really?

This team is ready. No one has come up with one good reason why this isn't the year and we shouldn't look at it as such.

[sharpe1027]

In simple english - follow closely - THIS TEAM AS IT IS, IS GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN THE SUPER BOWL. TODAY, I SEE ZERO REASONS WHY THIS TEAM SHOULD NOT BE COMPETITIVE AND BE IN A POSITION TO WIN EVERY SINGLE GAME THIS YEAR. EVERY NFL TEAM HAS HOLES, BUT OURS ARE SMALLER THAN MOST OTHER TEAMS.

I'll take the bait.

So if we don't go 19-0 it then you necessarily must blame it entirely upon the coaching staff. An interesting position. I don't agree, but it is at least a little interesting.

[sharpe1027]

No one has come up with one good reason why this isn't the year and we shouldn't look at it as such.

Every year is the year, right up until they are eliminated from the playoffs.

[Bossman641]

Here you go RG, I'll go on record. Assuming there is not a serious rash of injuries or a multi-game injury to Rodgers or Woodson, I will be disappointed with anything less than 11-5 and at least one playoff win. I was gonna say anything less than a trip to the NFCCG but decided to go with a playoff win instead. My reason being that I see this team similar to the mid 90's Packers teams in that I will give them a few years to progress from playoff experience to a playoff win to a SB trip.