Do The Packers Have The Right Coaching Staff?

[Smidgeon]

Interesting take on who's responsible for the QBs' development. From Aaron Rodgers via ESPN's Seifert (when asked if he thinks about his future legacy):

"Not really, to be honest with you. I'm a pretty regimented guy. I'm blessed with one of the great teachers in the game in [quarterbacks coach] Tom Clements. And we're always working. His best quality is not letting me be content with where I am as a player, and to always point out things I can improve on. That's how I stay motivated in the offseason. One thing I do realize is that as our team's success goes, then all of our individual success goes. And keeping that I mind, I think we can all have a lot of success this year."

With all that, maybe Clements has more of a hand in the QBs than anyone outside thought. I always thought it was McCarthy. But maybe M3 does a good job of coaching his staff to be good coaches. Don't know...

[Fritz]

McCarthy is smart (enough), steady, rational, and a hard worker. I'd hire him to run my company.

I wouldn't.

In answer to the topic question, no I don't think they have the right coaching staff. That doesn't mean that they can't win a Super bowl with this staff, most staffs are capable of doing that if things fall correctly. But can this staff put together a long run with multiple Super Bowl appearances? I doubt it.

Several reasons:
1. McCarthy has not shown to me that he can regularly "out coach" other teams. To be a consistent contender you need to do that.
2. You have to be able to make do and win with whatever happens to your roster. This is closely tied to #1. MM hasn't shown a consistent ability to do that, in my opinion.

This doesn't mean I dislike MM, or that he should necessarily be shown the door. He is better than many others, but not elite in my opinion. So you keep him to see if he gets better. He might be a GREAT OC on the staff of forceful defensive-minded head coach who would turn the offense over to him to handle.

Hey, isn't this what we already have?

[sharpe1027]

McCarthy is smart (enough), steady, rational, and a hard worker. I'd hire him to run my company.

I wouldn't.

In answer to the topic question, no I don't think they have the right coaching staff. That doesn't mean that they can't win a Super bowl with this staff, most staffs are capable of doing that if things fall correctly. But can this staff put together a long run with multiple Super Bowl appearances? I doubt it.

Several reasons:
1. McCarthy has not shown to me that he can regularly "out coach" other teams. To be a consistent contender you need to do that.
2. You have to be able to make do and win with whatever happens to your roster. This is closely tied to #1. MM hasn't shown a consistent ability to do that, in my opinion.

This doesn't mean I dislike MM, or that he should necessarily be shown the door. He is better than many others, but not elite in my opinion. So you keep him to see if he gets better. He might be a GREAT OC on the staff of forceful defensive-minded head coach who would turn the offense over to him to handle.

Hey, isn't this what we already have?

I was thinking the same thing.

Patler, we basically have the reverse of what you stated. An offensive-mined head coach with an (arguably) great DC. Any particular reason that you think that the HC should be defensive minded instead of offensive minded?

[mraynrand]

PB, I like your analysis of Philbin. It's like Lewis under Holmgren: you just never know about a guy until he gets out there and is in charge. McCarthy simply has too much control over the offense to know what the hell Philbin is responsible for.

Most every quote on the offensive line this year has come from Philbin. It sure feels like he's taking a pretty active role in coaching those guys this year.

OK, I don't doubt that. I was speculating on whether he will be able to coach at the next level, which is a whole different animal. McCarthy seems to have all the authority, much like Holmgren. Philbin could be entirely ready to coach at the next level - I'm only saying that McCarthy's apparent total control makes it hard to tell.

[mraynrand]

McCarthy is smart (enough), steady, rational, and a hard worker. I'd hire him to run my company.

I wouldn't.

In answer to the topic question, no I don't think they have the right coaching staff. That doesn't mean that they can't win a Super bowl with this staff, most staffs are capable of doing that if things fall correctly. But can this staff put together a long run with multiple Super Bowl appearances? I doubt it.

Several reasons:
1. McCarthy has not shown to me that he can regularly "out coach" other teams. To be a consistent contender you need to do that.
2. You have to be able to make do and win with whatever happens to your roster. This is closely tied to #1. MM hasn't shown a consistent ability to do that, in my opinion.

This doesn't mean I dislike MM, or that he should necessarily be shown the door. He is better than many others, but not elite in my opinion. So you keep him to see if he gets better. He might be a GREAT OC on the staff of forceful defensive-minded head coach who would turn the offense over to him to handle.

Hey, isn't this what we already have?

I was thinking the same thing.

Patler, we basically have the reverse of what you stated. An offensive-mined head coach with an (arguably) great DC. Any particular reason that you think that the HC should be defensive minded instead of offensive minded?

So we have a Great OC and a Great DC. What the hell does the Head Coach do anyway but worry a lot and fuck up the replay and 4th and short calls?

[sharpe1027]

So we have a Great OC and a Great DC. What the hell does the Head Coach do anyway but worry a lot and fuck up the replay and 4th and short calls?

Isn't MM pretty heavily involved in the OC duties? I would say that it is more along the lines of the HC does the job of the OC, so what does the OC have to worry about?

[Patler]

McCarthy is smart (enough), steady, rational, and a hard worker. I'd hire him to run my company.

I wouldn't.

In answer to the topic question, no I don't think they have the right coaching staff. That doesn't mean that they can't win a Super bowl with this staff, most staffs are capable of doing that if things fall correctly. But can this staff put together a long run with multiple Super Bowl appearances? I doubt it.

Several reasons:
1. McCarthy has not shown to me that he can regularly "out coach" other teams. To be a consistent contender you need to do that.
2. You have to be able to make do and win with whatever happens to your roster. This is closely tied to #1. MM hasn't shown a consistent ability to do that, in my opinion.

This doesn't mean I dislike MM, or that he should necessarily be shown the door. He is better than many others, but not elite in my opinion. So you keep him to see if he gets better. He might be a GREAT OC on the staff of forceful defensive-minded head coach who would turn the offense over to him to handle.

Hey, isn't this what we already have?

I was thinking the same thing.

Patler, we basically have the reverse of what you stated. An offensive-mined head coach with an (arguably) great DC. Any particular reason that you think that the HC should be defensive minded instead of offensive minded?

I'm not convinced MM is a great HC type coach for the reasons I stated.
I think he can be a great OC.
An OC has full reign to run the the O only if the HC stays out of his way.
Offensive minded HC's (MM, Holmgren etc.) never fully give up control of the O.
Therefore, to use his full potential. MM would have to work for a defensive-minded HC.

It has nothing to do with whether a defensive-minded or offensive-minded person makes a better HC, Just that MM could be a great OC for an HC that stays out of his way on offense.

[Patler]

MM as the HC designs the formats of practices, training camp, etc. He has taken great pains to design the "perfect" TC that gets the work done, keeps players fresh by never having back-to-back two-a-day practices, follows night practices with days off, etc. etc. A lot of what he has done has been described as new and innovative, different from what other teams do.

Yet, year after year his Packer teams have started the seasons like crap. Somehow, his training camp philosophy has not prepared his teams to start the season.