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  • Adam Schefter is now reporting that the Bucs did in fact sign Chris Bryan so there appears to be some confusion there.

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    • When you count Harris, Blackmon and Starks. . . . It looks like we had about 60-62 players on our roster that would play elsewhere in the NFL.

      I'd say that was a deep roster.
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      • I was puzzled by the Crabtree-over-Havner choice, but If Havner is the 3rd best tight end and the 5th best inside linebacker, and if Crabtree has more tight end upside and is the equal on ST, well, I suppose I understand.

        But what is it that Bedard is upset about? That TT didn't keep Blackmon, whose knee appears to be acting up weekly? What grizzled vets did TT let go of that were instrumental to the Packers' hopes? Lumpkin? Barbe? Havner? Who?
        "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

        KYPack

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        • Originally posted by Fritz
          I was puzzled by the Crabtree-over-Havner choice, but If Havner is the 3rd best tight end and the 5th best inside linebacker, and if Crabtree has more tight end upside and is the equal on ST, well, I suppose I understand.

          But what is it that Bedard is upset about? That TT didn't keep Blackmon, whose knee appears to be acting up weekly? What grizzled vets did TT let go of that were instrumental to the Packers' hopes? Lumpkin? Barbe? Havner? Who?
          In retrospect, Havner may not have had a position. He was moved to TE in the hopes of finding a way for him to contribute other than just ST, because he wasn't a factor in their thinking at LB. Injuries leading to shorthandedness and him playing LB doesn't mean a whole lot.

          As a TE, it was said that he had no clue about blocking or route running, which were to be his emphasis this off-season. He took care of that on his bike.

          There really isn't room for both Crabtree and Havner on the game day 45. I expected they would keep Havner and try to PS Crabtree. They went another way. I can't be too concerned, especially since it sounds like Crabtree is better on ST and at least can block as a TE.

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          • Originally posted by Fritz
            What grizzled vets did TT let go of that were instrumental to the Packers' hopes? Lumpkin? Barbe? Havner? Who?
            Me! They let me go!

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            Torrence Marshall

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            • Originally posted by Fritz
              I was puzzled by the Crabtree-over-Havner choice, but If Havner is the 3rd best tight end and the 5th best inside linebacker, and if Crabtree has more tight end upside and is the equal on ST, well, I suppose I understand.

              But what is it that Bedard is upset about? That TT didn't keep Blackmon, whose knee appears to be acting up weekly? What grizzled vets did TT let go of that were instrumental to the Packers' hopes? Lumpkin? Barbe? Havner? Who?

              Crabtree is supposedly the best blocking te -- MM loves power packages (kept 3 fbs). IMO its not a big deal.

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              • Originally posted by imscott72
                Originally posted by vince
                When a tweeter replied suggesting the number of players claimed indicates that the Packers were deeper this year than other teams, Bedard suggested that it means that they let go of better players in favor of younger ones.

                That guy is an incorrigible buffoon.
                Why is he a buffoon? Would you have kept guys like Johnson or McDonald over Havner?
                Johnson, yes. Because even if everyone is healthy, he has an important role. Havner got his chances when other TEs and WRs went down. Credit to him for delivering on those opportunities. But with four other TEs and 4 healthy WRs ahead of him, his snaps on offense (and defense) would be limited. His contribution on ST is hard for me to compare, at first glace, neither Johnson not McDonald are his replacement there. But since I do not know exactly who that will be, I can't say how much he would be missed on ST.

                McDonald is the developmental guy, but I don't think he was battling Havner for the spot.
                Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                • Originally posted by pbmax
                  Originally posted by imscott72
                  Originally posted by vince
                  When a tweeter replied suggesting the number of players claimed indicates that the Packers were deeper this year than other teams, Bedard suggested that it means that they let go of better players in favor of younger ones.

                  That guy is an incorrigible buffoon.
                  Why is he a buffoon? Would you have kept guys like Johnson or McDonald over Havner?
                  Johnson, yes. Because even if everyone is healthy, he has an important role. Havner got his chances when other TEs and WRs went down. Credit to him for delivering on those opportunities. But with four other TEs and 4 healthy WRs ahead of him, his snaps on offense (and defense) would be limited. His contribution on ST is hard for me to compare, at first glace, neither Johnson not McDonald are his replacement there. But since I do not know exactly who that will be, I can't say how much he would be missed on ST.

                  McDonald is the developmental guy, but I don't think he was battling Havner for the spot.
                  I think Havner was battling Crabtree, Swain & Johnson.

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                  • Originally posted by Guiness
                    Originally posted by Fritz
                    What grizzled vets did TT let go of that were instrumental to the Packers' hopes? Lumpkin? Barbe? Havner? Who?
                    Me! They let me go!

                    Signed
                    Torrence Marshall

                    ps Lori says hi
                    Semper Fi
                    "Hhhmmm, beer..my only vice."

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                    • Torrance! How the heck are ya? And how's your girlfriend? She still posting over at JSO?
                      "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                      KYPack

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