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What do all of you think? My vote is the DUI in May. Not a "Packer People" decision. Or maybe they were worried that Goodell would suspend him.
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0Motorcycle Accident / DUI in May0%0He had maxed out his potential. Other guys are on the rise.0%0Mediocre LB + Mediocre TE + Mediocre hands = CUT0%0TT is a blind baboon / polar bear hybrid who has no eye for talent.0%0 -
I voted #3. I agree with Lurker (I think); a guy who is okay at everything doesn't beat out guys who are great at some things.Busting drunk drivers in Antarctica since 2006 -
combo of 2 and 3. He wasn't really a threat to play D (did he last year?), and as a TE they liked the others better. Lets face it, the league doesn't mess with 2 way players anymore.
In hindsight I should have seen this coming, but I actually figured they would cut and PS Quarless before letting Havner go. Havner was productive if not spectacular.The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince LombardiComment
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Interesting. Could there be a suspension looming for him? First offense, but he was caught red-handed. or broken shoulder bladed.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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Guys, he is an excellent special teams player. Witht his, there is few ahead of him on the current roster. Special teams is our weakest point - he should of made it just for that value alone.
Fact remains that having havner allows you more flexibility with the roster. THey decided they didn't need that flexibility, despite the fact Havner never did anything to lose his job. He was great in his spot TE duties last year - he caught everything threw his way, generally, for big TD's.
He isn't a great LB, but he wasn't any worse than poppinga, who also made the roster.Comment
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If that was the case, I would think he would be released before TC.Originally posted by pbmaxBusting drunk drivers in Antarctica since 2006Comment
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I voted #2.
I think he had good, not mediocre hands. He BY FAR has better hands than Donald Lee. The LB spot would've only been in an emergency role, but I still thought versatility was a bonus for him.-digital dean
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#3. Packers got better at TE. Were already better at LB. They have plenty of guys who can play teams just as well. Ah well, so much for the Havner conversion..."Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - WoodbuckComment
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I think it's a pure numbers game thing. Let's face it, if Havner were to take significant snaps on defense this year we'd be fucked. You try not to keep too many players for their ability to play positions that you hope to god you never have to actually play them at. As a TE, he was average. Wasn't overly physical, wasn't overly athletic, ran decent routes but wasn't smooth, his best asset was that he had sticky hands in the endzone.
As a special teams player? Who knows. He was a hard worker, and that's always good on special teams... but our special teams last year was terrible, and by all indications our special teams this year don't look to be that much better. If we really had all these players who were great on special teams, why don't the special teams play better? If it's the coaching, we're not going to get a new ST coach in the middle of the season and it's unlikely that Havner alone would save the whole unit.
Havner got caught in a bind where there were two guys whose production they liked (Finley and Lee) and two guys whose potential they were enamored with (Quarless and Crabtree). Considering the object lesson in "let a TE develop" that was the first year of Jermichael Finley, I'm not surprised that Havner lost out to guys with more potential. It should be no surprise to anybody that Havner lost out to guys who were more productive on offense.
The real argument comes down to, if you were willing to keep 5 TEs (and I'm not sure the Packers were), who at a different position would you cut in order to to keep Havner?</delurk>Comment
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these!Originally posted by bobblehead
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Quarless is raw and a bit of a headcase. But talent-wise, he has a ton of upside. He never would have made it to the PS. Someone would have snapped him up.Originally posted by gbgary-digital dean
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Crabtree is a better blocker and ST player. Quarless has much more potential.
Just wasn't room for 5 TE's and Lee wasn't getting cut.Formerly known as JustinHarrell.Comment
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True about Crabtree. It's good to see a street FA make the squad.-digital dean
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7 catches last year (although 4 were TD's). 16 tackles last year. Apparently he's not a capable starter at LB (at least MM/Capers must have thought so). Too many people at the TE position with better physical tools.Originally posted by bobbleheadComment
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He was actually a street UDFA with the Chiefs last year (following the 2009 draft), and just looked terrible in camp. Got cut, and was on and off the Chiefs practice squad until the Packers picked him up to replace Trevor Ford (who was promoted to the roster) in December of last year. Apparently now he looks like a completely different player than he did with Kansas City, as previously reports were that he was uninterested in both blocking and catching.Originally posted by digitaldean
Wouldn't be the first guy that getting cut and getting a change of scenery did wonders for (e.g. Daniel Muir is starting for the Colts and playing well) and it won't be the last.
The thing, I think, that really helps Green Bay sign these guys who are undrafted or otherwise rejects is that we seem to give them a fair shot to make the roster during camp if they work hard and do what the coaches ask them to do.</delurk>Comment
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