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  • #46
    Originally posted by pbmax
    Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
    How come they let that guy go?

    PUNT RETURNS
    2009 - 23 returns for 10.1 average
    2008 - 23 returns for 14.1 average

    KICK RETURNS
    2009 - 31 returns for 29.1 average
    2008 - 36 returns for 27.6 average

    I don't know the guy that well, but those are great numbers.
    I don't know him either Harv, but with Gout, 2 brain injuries and a balky knee, he might be my Grandfather's age.
    Interesting, but he had originally made their final 53--before they claimed Lumpkin. That tells me that they weren't that worried about him.

    Yeah, the fumbles stick out. Those numbers are fantastic though.

    He was 1st in the NFL in kick returns among those with 20+ returns in 2009. He was 5th in 2008.

    He was 11th in the NFL in punt returns among those with 20+ returns in 2009. He was 2nd in 2008.
    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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    • #47
      And in fairness, only 2 of the fumbles were on kickoff returns (in 2 years) and 1 on punt returns.

      3 were while rushing and 1 while receiving...

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      • #48
        We have a few guys that I wouldn't cry over, if they got cut. Nick McDonald, Quinn Johnson, Tom Crabtree being three of them.
        "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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        • #49
          Originally posted by pbmax
          Gout and 2 concussions?

          I preferred when they pretended they were not worried. Who gets the axe if he signs? I think its got to be Patrick Lee. Or Crabtree. McDonald, if they aren't worried about 9 lineman on the 53 man roster.
          Sounds like a pirate to me. No wonder he played for the Buccaneers.
          "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

          KYPack

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          • #50
            Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
            We have a few guys that I wouldn't cry over, if they got cut. Nick McDonald, Quinn Johnson, Tom Crabtree being three of them.
            How about Korey Hall? No one ever talks about him being cut for such an average player. I would prefer to keep Johnson over Hall.

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            • #51
              And Swain is the swollen appendix among the receiving corps. He is not recovered from that knee injury. Dr. swede would recommend a Swainectomy before cutting anyone else.
              [QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Brandon494
                Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                We have a few guys that I wouldn't cry over, if they got cut. Nick McDonald, Quinn Johnson, Tom Crabtree being three of them.
                How about Korey Hall? No one ever talks about him being cut for such an average player. I would prefer to keep Johnson over Hall.
                Hall has done enough to be considered the starting FB and he's a much better special teams player. Kuhn is a good special teams player and a backup at FB and HB. Johnson is on the team for potential, but I'm not sure I like to keep a prospect around at a position so unimportant.
                "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by swede
                  And Swain is the swollen appendix among the receiving corps. He is not recovered from that knee injury. Dr. swede would recommend a Swainectomy before cutting anyone else.
                  Yes. I would cut Swain or MacDonald before I would cut Johnson.

                  If we went 5 WR I'd much rather see Finley as a WR then Swain.
                  Go PACK

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Bossman641
                    Originally posted by swede
                    And Swain is the swollen appendix among the receiving corps. He is not recovered from that knee injury. Dr. swede would recommend a Swainectomy before cutting anyone else.
                    Yes. I would cut Swain or MacDonald before I would cut Johnson.

                    If we went 5 WR I'd much rather see Finley as a WR then Swain.
                    I must be the only one who sees potential in Swain. Yes, his knee isn't quite back, but I think he has a future in the NFL. I like his hands and toughness, and I think he has some quickness to him to run the slot routes.
                    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                    • #55
                      More on Smith from the link above, which has been amended with additional information...

                      Since coming into the league as an undrafted free agent in 2008, Smith has a career kick return average of 28.3 yards on 67 attempts and 12.1 yards on 46 punt returns.

                      But he also has a reputation as a fumbler. The Buccaneers have lost possession of the ball four times on Smith’s seven career fumbles coming on both offense and on returns.

                      His best season was his rookie year in 2008 when he was named to both the Associated Press All-Pro team and the NFC Pro Bowl squad after returning one kick and one punt each for a touchdown.

                      There are several medical concerns surrounding Smith. After an impressive rookie season, Smith had an injury-plagued second year that saw him suffer a concussion when he took a hit from Dante Wesley of the Carolina Panthers while awaiting a punt that led to Wesley’s ejection from the game. He was then placed on injured reserve later in the season following a second concussion.

                      Smith also missed the first two games of the 2010 exhibition season while battling knee pain resulting from complications with gout. Although he returned for the third and fourth preseason games.

                      The Buccaneers decided to let go Smith when they had other options available to them in the return game despite the potential of Smith.

                      “That was a touch call,” said Tampa Bay head coach Raheem Morris yesterday. “Obviously, one of the sentimental favorites. Obviously, one of those guys that you really have to negotiate with yourself and with what is going on, but with the emergence of a guy like Kareem Huggins, with the emergence of what a guy like Sammie [Stroughter] is able to do in the return game, with the emergence of a guy like [Micheal] Spurlock who is coming back, a guy like [Preston] Parker, and all those different type of returner guys that we have and all the guys that have played different positions, he really was one of the guys that we had to make one of those tough decisions on.

                      “There is no doubt in my head that he will definitely be one of those guys to go stick somewhere else and find a way to get back here and do something that I am going to regret,” said Morris. “I’m going to have to hug him at the end of the game–win, lose, or draw–because he is definitely one of those guys that you love and care about, and he’s definitely one of our favorite Buccaneers of all time.”

                      ...

                      At 5-9 and 190 pounds, Smith also plays running back and could conceivably assume the third halfback role on the team unless the Packers decide to stick with John Kuhn. In his two years in Tampa Bay, Smith has done nothing to stand out on the offensive side of the ball tallying only 12 total carries for 47 yards and adding 6 receptions for 26 yards.

                      The Buccaneers also credit him for having 14 special teams tackles for his play on coverage units.

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                      • #56
                        From the Jason Wilde Twitter fabulousness, a link to this Twitter from a Twitterer named CliftonSwift22:

                        http://twitter.com/CliftonSmith22/status/23244564185


                        Green bay here I come!!!
                        about 2 hours ago via Echofon
                        Prediction: the co-mingling of personal info on Twitter and the professional, public availability of it will cause more, not fewer, problems in the future. Mike Wise was just the latest casualty. If you want to know where Greg Bedard's family is, you can just follow his or Wilde's Twitter account.
                        Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by pbmax
                          From the Jason Wilde Twitter fabulousness, a link to this Twitter from a Twitterer named CliftonSwift22:

                          http://twitter.com/CliftonSmith22/status/23244564185


                          Green bay here I come!!!
                          about 2 hours ago via Echofon
                          Prediction: the co-mingling of personal info on Twitter and the professional, public availability of it will cause more, not fewer, problems in the future. Mike Wise was just the latest casualty. If you want to know where Greg Bedard's family is, you can just follow his or Wilde's Twitter account.
                          Well right now Bedard is in the Lambeau parking lot with a pair of binoculars trying to figure out who is being called in early to turn in their playbook.
                          [QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by pbmax
                            If you want to know where Greg Bedard's family is, you can just follow his or Wilde's Twitter account.
                            I don't want to know.
                            "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by swede
                              Well right now Bedard is in the Lambeau parking lot with a pair of binoculars trying to figure out who is being called in early to turn in their playbook.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by swede
                                Originally posted by pbmax
                                From the Jason Wilde Twitter fabulousness, a link to this Twitter from a Twitterer named CliftonSwift22:

                                http://twitter.com/CliftonSmith22/status/23244564185


                                Green bay here I come!!!
                                about 2 hours ago via Echofon
                                Prediction: the co-mingling of personal info on Twitter and the professional, public availability of it will cause more, not fewer, problems in the future. Mike Wise was just the latest casualty. If you want to know where Greg Bedard's family is, you can just follow his or Wilde's Twitter account.
                                Well right now Bedard is in the Lambeau parking lot with a pair of binoculars trying to figure out who is being called in early to turn in their playbook.
                                Its surprisingly easy to mount wireless webcams to the heads of small children and sneak them through security.
                                Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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