Broncos Want a 3rd for Lelie, would you do it?

[packrulz]

Aug 15 Dave Hutchinson, of the Star-Ledger, reports New York Jets WR Justin McCareins, who landed in head coach Eric Mangini's doghouse when he failed his conditioning test to start camp, appears to still be there and may emerge as trade bait as the Jets continue their search for help at running back and nose tackle. McCareins has lost his starting job to WR Jerricho Cotchery. McCareins did not even work with the second-team offense at practice Tuesday, Aug. 15.

Maybe TT could trade Davenport even up for McCareins.

[the_idle_threat]

Good God ... we can only dream. At this point, I'd trade Davenpoop for a bag of Fritos. I don't even like Fritos.

[vince]

Someone on this board has a quote from Ted Thompson in their sig about valuing "football players."

It's a great quote, and it might as well have Ashley Lelie's name written all over it.

Lelie is the epitome of the guy who looks great on paper - fast, big, etc. but is a PUSSY on the field. He disappears for games at a time, cries about his contract, holds out because he's not good enough to be the #1 receiver and is not someone Thompson wants on this team - at any price.

And I agree with him on that.

[digitaldean]

Run away! Run away!

GB just got rid of a headcase in Javon Walker.

We'd be getting a lesser quality of WR but with the same ego problems.

They shouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole.

[TheRaven]

His value is not even close to a 3rd rounder at this point. I wouldn't give up anything more than a 6th at this point.

[Bretsky]

Lelie is heads and heals above Ferguson or Gardner; if he had a better attitude I'd give up a 4th in a heartbeat. But as pointed out he wants the big money and he's probably not worth the risk of a big deal.....even though we are sitting on 7 MIL

[Astonishment]

I like Lelie, but he really doesn't fit this system. Plus the one thing that Lelie will never be accused of is being consistant, and consistancy is really what the Packers will need this year out of their WR's (outside of Driver of corse).

[Badgepack]

I would rather see the Pack go with a hungry, trying to prove themself, youngster like Ruvell Martin, than bring in another whiney ass bitch who thinks they deserve big money, without ever earning it on the field year after year.

[BooHoo]

Re: Run away! Run away!

GB just got rid of a headcase in Javon Walker.

We'd be getting a lesser quality of WR but with the same ego problems.

They shouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole.

I would be also concerned about the "headcase" issue with LeLie.

[woodbuck27]

Here's a RANT for you.

WR Ashley Lelie is a straight downfield speed receiver. He wants the limelight, and I have "no fault" with him there, but he's demonstrated he's not a multi-purpose threat, as a one dimensional WR.

Straight downfield fast and deep and then deeper.

He's not a great fit in OUR new WCO - whatever that will be? can't wait to see that. I don't want Brett Favre throwing deep, except rarely. He has to think - think - think. .PRACTISE PATIENCE or Mike McCarthy will stone his butt. Brett Favre is - as set up - as any popular/star PRO player I've ever seen. Is it do this or els? it could well be "just that".

Why don't I like what i'm seeing Packer fans? You ask yourselves that question. sorry i can't always wera my HAPPY face but DAMN IT - I'll never give up on the PACKERS !!! Bank on that as long as i'm here -

I'm here for alot more than woodbuck27. I'm here for ALL of YOU.

The RANT Continues. . .

The writing is on the wall and McCarthy is also spelled - IRISH !!! Meaning don't SCREW with him !!!! Mike Shanahan - also Irish, and who screws with him?? Irish means passion and sometimes that gets to stubborness and HOT. Bad temperment no - but all the same. . . ANGER !!!! Irish can be difficult to deal with but with the bad comes good as well.

See that That is really me. That is my disposittion 95% of the time as an Irishman. I'm a trip. I'm OK. I have an awesome outlook on life and a great sense of the Ha ha !!! It's the only way to float these dark days, friends.

Otherwise, you get all anal and uptight, and eventually will "in fact" go insane or suffer dimentia. Ever read the stat's on that subject?? LIFE takes most people to a state of incompetence and that won't ever be me.DAM i hate the thought of being back in diapers,LOL.

Ohhhh Rant on Football continues. . .

Lelie's decision to balk - has to date, placed him at risk, to be fined over $300 G's, and that will become over $600 G's if this continues at the completion of TC. . . The real issue according to Bronco fans - is more money. Lelie wants more Doe-Ray-Me to be a #3 WR????

Good Luck !! To his agent.

That means he won't come cheap all around, with cost to OUR CAP and a high draft pick (and a defensive line player would win the deal but is it worth it ?

NO WAY !!!

From my view - NO !!! Now Ted may, go right out and get him,LOL.

Who knows what Ted will do? Excuse me Packer fans, as I havn't one ioda of a realistic read on Ted Thompson, and I am dreadfully analytical. I'm a Capricorn and very statistically mathematically minded. A strong engineering background and an Educator - I have a minor in Math and loved teaching Math.

Trainer/Teacher/instructor/Fascilitator . . but I spent most of my LIFE as a troubleshooter.

I'm also a crusader for TRUTH and RIGHT for the majority. I am always for the underdog - the little guy and that began at 5 year's of age, growing up in a very tough environment. Having to fight for my very existence. Thank GOD I'm Irish.

RANTING . . .GOOD !!!!!

Will "the Broncos" play hardball? I'm getting it - that that fine, isn't enforced by the NFL but rather mandated by the Organization.

Ashly Lelie's agent has to take care of business there, and fans are saying that his agent isn't exactly playing it smart, but someone will have Lelie on the field this season, but only when Shanahan gets the deal he expects or. . . it will be something different.

I've watched both the Ashley Lelie and Jerry Porter developments closely because a division rival could well strengthen by adding either of these WR's. I'm selfish.if a NFCNort rival grabs an available talent and "even on paper" improves their "only hopes" I wonder what happened that my Packer GM sat pat. Is that really weird?

That player must hopefully (the operative word) fulfill the promise of his acquisition - weighed against the realistic upside of any deal. I trust that Ted Thompson has that well in hand regarding Lelie and Porter.

He's done his checks and balances. He has a DAM clue.

Porter or Lelie?

EASY !! Jerry Porter for my way of seeing things. I'm selfish for Brett Favre too.

Porter or Lelie?

Jerry Porter is the money player. Yes - I'd like him in the Green and GOLD. Holy Mackeral!! I'd be pumped to see that happen. Yet, I'm the idiot that wanted Ted Thompson to bring in Terrell Owens too. Again selfishness on my part for Brett Favre but the packers are BIGGER.

Terrell Owens?

Now - I'm just content to see how he develops in Dallas. Not all is well there at this time. Bill Parcells is not a happy camper according to the late night sports here last night. Big report on Parcells - and he's pissed angry. That's Bill Parcells, LOL.

Wondering. . . Is that an Irish name? Parcells, ummm??

it's not all to do with Terrell Owens (necessarily - T.O. detractor's) as he re-habs . . . but certainly about Bill's demands for on field leadership. Some heat there on QB Drew Bledsoe. Watch for backup QB Tony Romo ( to maybe ) get some time this season, as the OL has to be solid to enable Drew Bledsoe -

He's not Brett Favre Packer fans, rather, as I expect you know - a pure pocket passer.

The OL in Dallas as well as OUR's - is under the gun, and they are looking seriously at Ashley Lelie with Terry Glenn and Patrick Crayton as #1 or #2 and #3 with T.O. in that mix of course once he returns. T.O. is being T.O. and rehabbing with his OWN people.

mmmm Yup he's different.

Other teams in the need for a WR are reported in posts from last night on this thread.

This can be a fun hobby and amusing as well to watch. These trade scenario's intrigue me, and I learn alot about the other teams specifics on players around the NFL, and their fans. It's fun.

By the way.This Forum has a special group of fans.I am being so honest here.Let's keep up the packer support through one another and ditch the ego crap. Don't attack me. I'm a Canadian. i havn't a clue about the NFL or football. I have so much to learn. ALL the real experts on this Forum need to teach me alot more. You've been there but I'm starvin'.

Packers and Ashley Lelie? NO to Lelie from my view.

We need a multi-purpose versatile WR and a man that can be content coming off the bench and making the HUGE play. Lelie wants to be what he's not. A #1 WR !!!

Yes - he led the NFL ,in yards per catch, but he doesn't score. He is fast and he's got the size that Mike McCarthy, said once that wants. He gets behind defenses and will catch the long pass, but after that. . . face in the dirt.Besides that - I don't want Favre going too verticle.

I want Brett favre to be patient, and take yards on the run if he steps up in the pocket and his men are covered.Toss the feet towords that goaline and grab 5 yards and slide with feet downfield.Don'y run like najeh Davenport.

That reminds me of the beach boys famous song. . . " Wipeout "

and Brett Favre can't force too many pass's. He'll force pass's. He's Brett Favre and he still zips them. Yet the defensive basks are sitting back there waiting - waiting. . .

Brett Favre.The best arm we'll see in Green Bay for maybe the next 20 -30 years. The BEST heart too !!!!

I'll say this again. Favre and Donald Driver and Jerry Porter. . . MONEY !!!!! Ted Thompson won't give us that. I write that as " the Devil's Advocate ".

Give us that Ted !!!! No !?!?!! . . . and it's because. . . . .

Then I come back to earth . . and I see it all. I think. . . We are in schitt, LOL, " up to the eyeballs " with OUR OL. How did it get so DAM ugly ???

Time - Oh yea. Time after 2006 !!! As Packer fans, we'll survive it. I'm not so sure about OUR QB's and RB's? What a mess today but who knows about what we'll see after "the falcons but whatever that is only one more preseason game.

There is even now speculation that Shanahan may play hardball but that's not real given that the bronco's are a contender and Shanahann wants to take a step closer to that reality of another Super Bowl.

As an NFL fan this stuff interests me. I just try to learn. I am not - never been, "all jacked up' for Ted Thompson to definitely bring in Ashley Lelie - and even though I feel he's better athletic wise than what we have in terms of ** WR's FA - Rod Gardner, OUR Vet Robet Ferguson and FA Marc Boerigter - to date in this off season and TC - if I was Ted Thompson I'd not touch him. Ted "by all reports did look at Lelie and he and s
Shanahan disagree'd about the price Vs. the benefits of Ashley Lelie in Green Bay. Now that was a few weeks ago.
Ranting!!!

** these three WR's are way behind the front runner's at WR. Donald Driver, Greg Jennings (and YES !!! Ruvell Martin).

We need a fella that can play the slot, and run good routes and be sure handed on slants as I thought I saw in Robert Ferguson in the past. DAM he was coming before that viscious - Donovan Darius - take your head off shot.

Has that taken the heart away from Robert Ferguson or were we all caught up in his personal hype. He did come to us with such upside - promise but he's not delivered any better, than being a #3 WR, and he isn't at all there this season to date. maybe he'll get there as if he's cut i'll be surprised.He works hard and he has ST value to us, if he willl go there?

Rod Gardner has this great opportunity with us now and maybe he'll play better?

There - RANT is over !!! That felt GREAT !

GO PACKERS ! HOLD THE FAITH PACKER FANS !!

[HarveyWallbangers]

I wish I had time to read that, Woody. I don't.

[Zool]

I wish I had time to read that, Woody. I don't.

Wordy

[BooHoo]

I'll read it tonight as late night reading.