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  • #16
    I agree, that there were games in which we were close and Favre threw interceptions. However, when I watched those games, most of his passes were "questionable". After the first 8 games, when our running game was minimal, the defensive game plans were simple. Double Driver, single cover all other recievers (with a safety covering the top) and rush Favre. Since none of our other recievers (besides Driver) could beat single coverage - Favre was always threading the needle. Go back to those games - how many times do you hear from the commentators - wow - he threaded the needle on that one - that's only a throw Favre can make (or try) - how did he get that in there.......

    Every game he was making tough passes that had to be perfect, since the talent around him wasn't separating enough to make the pass easy. If you try to thread the needle enough, no matter how good you are, you are going to miss. And the more you try to thread the needle, the more likely you will miss.

    Of course, he could have played it safe, but in most games, we would have never been even close even he wouldn't have thrown a few "needle" passes to get us close.

    Don't get me wrong - there are still passes that Favre makes that never should have been thrown. However, I think most of the interceptions were caused by threading the needle one too many times - and I believe he was threading the needle since there was no other way to get close.
    'Til the End

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    • #17
      Well said.
      "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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      • #18
        Originally posted by woodbuck27
        Mike Sherman's and didley squat OC - up in the box's Offense. . was way too predictable. Game after game after. . the same DAM stuff. . .Uhhh !

        How many times did he think he could pull off that silly reverse play involving Donald Driver, after it worked at first? It's the NFL and that play may as well been announced on " the Big Screen ".

        HOLD THE FAITH - GO PACKERS in 2006. . .
        Hmmm. The same Mike Sherman who had the top three and top five offenses when he had a healthy team? C'mon Woody, you can blame Sherm for a bunch of things including crappy play calling, but a bad offense? No way.

        Sherm had a problem adapting and changing, but when you are using a 5'6" receiver and a 6th and 7th string running back, with two low budget bad news guards, what the he(double hockey sticks) could he really do?

        I loved the article, and you can interpret things both ways, but you can't excuse the gunslinger mentality in Favre. A lot of those picks were on him. Too many happened on early downs. He wasn't patient. I can handle 3rd down and long interceptions, or 4th down interceptions, but honestly, how many times did an ill timed, early down interception sail down the middle of the field?

        Let's just step back, and stop shooting from the hip and talking up the "easy blame" as all the stupid journalists did that watched the highlights and not the game. Most of us watched the game - every game. If you're objective you know the true problem with the team was on several fronts, among them 1 - bad offensive line, 2 - poor play calling, 3 - running back injuries, 4 - Wide receiver injuries, 5 - lack of conditioning, and I'm sure there were others...

        Some Sherms fault, and some not.... The guy got fired, TWICE, can't we give it a rest?

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        • #19
          I'd say, in order, Favre's INTs were a result of

          1) Horrific Offensive line play
          2) Loss of receivers from game 1 on
          3) Loss of a running game due to loss of running backs and O-line (see 1)
          4) Extremely bad judgment/desperation of Favre's part. The INT that sticks out the most in this category was in Philly. Favre just chucked it up late hoping for something. Favre knew at this point that nothing mattered. When's the last time he faced that? I'd say when the Packers were getting blown out In St. Louis following the 2001 season
          5) Favre's decreased willingness to take a hit. One thing Sherman did well was to see to it that Favre was protected with linemen and the running game. Without that protection, Favre was getting rid of passes faster, and the INT mentioned that turned the tide of the Bears game was in this category. Sure Favre may have been trying to escape loss of yardage, but I think there was at least an element there of Favre trying to escape being planted. And to be sure, I don't want to see the guy get planted anymore. The next hard hit could be his last. The guy is 36 years old but has the mileage of a George Blanda on him.
          "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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          • #20
            You forgot a porous defense that could not be counted on to hold a lead, and special teams didn't to a whole lot to secure great field position.
            "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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            • #21
              retailguy:

              I am alot like you not down on Mike Sherman.I really didn't feel that we were well prepared in OUR TC last season.I've been always, all over that.

              Mike Sherman made a bold statement early in OUR season last.Words to the effect."I can only work with what was given to me" (paraphrase).Do you re-call that retailguy? Anyone?

              I felt that we suffered through a brutal TC.The focus wasn't, IMO correct.

              When we were 1-6 . . Brett Favre was playing overall-aewsome, with a QB rating around 93, and leading the NFL in TD's as I re-call. The injuries were hitting us a terrible blow. Not Mike Sherman's fault for sure.

              Too much adversity!Then OUR depth issues reared it's ugly head.Many placed that on Mike Sherman.I couldn't refute their stance. The other thing was Mike Sherman's clock management - that many criticized.

              I won't bring it all up as many here know the points where I was criticle of how the team was handled. I was all over T2 and felt badly for Mike Sherman.I really liked HC Sherman as who was more dedicated and he did so much outside of the team for the community.

              When Mike Sherman was canned.The reaction of the Packer players said it all. They liked him.That firing was brutal, pour moi.

              The problem was that he and the OC were married (tied at the hip). Favre didn't agree with the way the Offence was co-ordinated. It was IMO - stale.

              This season will bring us something new and exciting I trust.

              Mike Sherman will be a HC again.

              GO PACKERS !
              ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
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