Harrell thinks he tore his ACL

[Fritz]

heres the problem i have with keeping him. you plan to have him, he gets reps that someone else loses, he gets a roster spot over someone else and then he gets hurt right off the bat

he's gonna get hurt, he always gets hurt, if it's not one thing it will be something else. god just didn't build him to be a football player.

he's been slow to heal in the past so chances are he won't be able to participate in the offseason stuff and at the least he would be limited in training camp and preseason. so would almost have to give him a roster spot without working him out.

a clean break would force the team to focus on others

and if i'm JH i retire before he becomes a cripple before he's 30. he should have a nice nest egg if he didn't blow all his money. go enjoy life, maybe get into coaching

he shouldn't feel like he let the team down or took the teams money and ran. TT knew what he was getting when he drafted him and he took a big gamble that didn't turn out. justin gave it his all, no question there. just wasn't ment to be

I was thinking about this red, and I kinda agree - but only if TT doesn't bring in anyone else next season that could truly be developed. You don't want the injury risk player to take a spot that a young guy could use to develop. But if next year you're not bringing in an up-and-coming young guy - if you're bringing in 7th round draft picks and FA's - then why not give Harrell a shot?

[sharpe1027]

heres the problem i have with keeping him. you plan to have him, he gets reps that someone else loses, he gets a roster spot over someone else and then he gets hurt right off the bat

he's gonna get hurt, he always gets hurt, if it's not one thing it will be something else. god just didn't build him to be a football player.

he's been slow to heal in the past so chances are he won't be able to participate in the offseason stuff and at the least he would be limited in training camp and preseason. so would almost have to give him a roster spot without working him out.

a clean break would force the team to focus on others

and if i'm JH i retire before he becomes a cripple before he's 30. he should have a nice nest egg if he didn't blow all his money. go enjoy life, maybe get into coaching

he shouldn't feel like he let the team down or took the teams money and ran. TT knew what he was getting when he drafted him and he took a big gamble that didn't turn out. justin gave it his all, no question there. just wasn't ment to be

This makes sense going forward.

For this year he wasn't exactly taking the roster spot of anyone significant. If Jolly was available, it would have been a different story. As it was, keeping him on with the hope that he stayed healthy was about equal with expecting that one of the DL they cut would contribute in any meaningful manner.

[Joemailman]

What they do regarding Harrell might depend on whether they decide to bring Jolly back. If Jolly is back, might not be room for Harrell. Jolly is a lesser human being, but a better football player.

[Patler]

There is a misconception out there that Harrell was hurt a lot in college. He really wasn't. In spite of playing only three games as a senior, he played 35 college games. He had a broken ankle as a freshman, but that was about it until the torn biceps.

[imscott72]

it will definitely be interesting to see if they give Jolly a look next year..We sure could use his motor on that line..

[red]

There is a misconception out there that Harrell was hurt a lot in college. He really wasn't. In spite of playing only three games as a senior, he played 35 college games. He had a broken ankle as a freshman, but that was about it until the torn biceps.

Harrell's injury woes date all the way to high school, where he battled shin splints and had a bad lower back. At Tennessee, Harrell underwent surgery for shin splints on his right leg in 2003 and missed more than half of spring practice that year. That August, Harrell broke a bone in his right ankle and missed the first five games of the season.

Harrell missed two games in 2004 with a right ankle sprain, and then went injury free in 2005. But in Tennessee's second game of the 2006 season, Harrell suffered a torn biceps injury. He tried to play the following week against Florida, and then opted for season-ending surgery.

Harrell didn't take part in any contact drills during Green Bay's post-draft minicamps and organized team activities last year because of that same biceps injury. Then he missed five games during the 2007 regular season with an ankle injury.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/29421584.html

[red]

heres the problem i have with keeping him. you plan to have him, he gets reps that someone else loses, he gets a roster spot over someone else and then he gets hurt right off the bat

he's gonna get hurt, he always gets hurt, if it's not one thing it will be something else. god just didn't build him to be a football player.

he's been slow to heal in the past so chances are he won't be able to participate in the offseason stuff and at the least he would be limited in training camp and preseason. so would almost have to give him a roster spot without working him out.

a clean break would force the team to focus on others

and if i'm JH i retire before he becomes a cripple before he's 30. he should have a nice nest egg if he didn't blow all his money. go enjoy life, maybe get into coaching

he shouldn't feel like he let the team down or took the teams money and ran. TT knew what he was getting when he drafted him and he took a big gamble that didn't turn out. justin gave it his all, no question there. just wasn't ment to be

I was thinking about this red, and I kinda agree - but only if TT doesn't bring in anyone else next season that could truly be developed. You don't want the injury risk player to take a spot that a young guy could use to develop. But if next year you're not bringing in an up-and-coming young guy - if you're bringing in 7th round draft picks and FA's - then why not give Harrell a shot?

my thinking is that if you let harrell go then it would force TT's hand to find someone else either through the draft or via free agency

unless it's jolly

[Pugger]

Doesn't Harrell have another year to go besides this one on his contract? If so, IR him this year and then bring him back next year if the knee heals up. What have we got to lose? In the offseason he isn't really taking up that valuable a roster spot until the end of TC. I heard we signed Wynn today to take Harrell's spot.

[Patler]

There is a misconception out there that Harrell was hurt a lot in college. He really wasn't. In spite of playing only three games as a senior, he played 35 college games. He had a broken ankle as a freshman, but that was about it until the torn biceps.

Harrell's injury woes date all the way to high school, where he battled shin splints and had a bad lower back. At Tennessee, Harrell underwent surgery for shin splints on his right leg in 2003 and missed more than half of spring practice that year. That August, Harrell broke a bone in his right ankle and missed the first five games of the season.

Harrell missed two games in 2004 with a right ankle sprain, and then went injury free in 2005. But in Tennessee's second game of the 2006 season, Harrell suffered a torn biceps injury. He tried to play the following week against Florida, and then opted for season-ending surgery.

Harrell didn't take part in any contact drills during Green Bay's post-draft minicamps and organized team activities last year because of that same biceps injury. Then he missed five games during the 2007 regular season with an ankle injury.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/29421584.html

Ya? He didn't miss games even with the sprained ankle. Didn't start one but played, so what? Pickett had that too. He recovered enough to be DMVP in his Bowl game that year. That is not a significant injury history.

He played 32 games in three year before his senior year. Sounds like he was pretty much available all the time to me.

[Iron Mike]

There is a misconception out there that Harrell was hurt a lot in college. He really wasn't. In spite of playing only three games as a senior, he played 35 college games. He had a broken ankle as a freshman, but that was about it until the torn biceps.

Harrell's injury woes date all the way to high school, where he battled shin splints and had a bad lower back. At Tennessee, Harrell underwent surgery for shin splints on his right leg in 2003 and missed more than half of spring practice that year. That August, Harrell broke a bone in his right ankle and missed the first five games of the season.

Harrell missed two games in 2004 with a right ankle sprain, and then went injury free in 2005. But in Tennessee's second game of the 2006 season, Harrell suffered a torn biceps injury. He tried to play the following week against Florida, and then opted for season-ending surgery.

Harrell didn't take part in any contact drills during Green Bay's post-draft minicamps and organized team activities last year because of that same biceps injury. Then he missed five games during the 2007 regular season with an ankle injury.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/29421584.html

Ya? He didn't miss games even with the sprained ankle. Didn't start one but played, so what? Pickett had that too. He recovered enough to be DMVP in his Bowl game that year. That is not a significant injury history.

He played 32 games in three year before his senior year. Sounds like he was pretty much available all the time to me.

You'd think you could be more humble when you realize that red just Patlerized you.....

[Fritz]

heres the problem i have with keeping him. you plan to have him, he gets reps that someone else loses, he gets a roster spot over someone else and then he gets hurt right off the bat

he's gonna get hurt, he always gets hurt, if it's not one thing it will be something else. god just didn't build him to be a football player.

he's been slow to heal in the past so chances are he won't be able to participate in the offseason stuff and at the least he would be limited in training camp and preseason. so would almost have to give him a roster spot without working him out.

a clean break would force the team to focus on others

and if i'm JH i retire before he becomes a cripple before he's 30. he should have a nice nest egg if he didn't blow all his money. go enjoy life, maybe get into coaching

he shouldn't feel like he let the team down or took the teams money and ran. TT knew what he was getting when he drafted him and he took a big gamble that didn't turn out. justin gave it his all, no question there. just wasn't ment to be

I was thinking about this red, and I kinda agree - but only if TT doesn't bring in anyone else next season that could truly be developed. You don't want the injury risk player to take a spot that a young guy could use to develop. But if next year you're not bringing in an up-and-coming young guy - if you're bringing in 7th round draft picks and FA's - then why not give Harrell a shot?

my thinking is that if you let harrell go then it would force TT's hand to find someone else either through the draft or via free agency

unless it's jolly

You can talk about forcing Thompson's hand but there are always needs at so many positions. For example, al six of TT's picks from this year stuck, and it looks like three could contribute immediately. Yet there has criticism that TT didn't shore up outside linebacker, corner, running back and safety.

I dunno. I think you let Harrell rehab, and draft the way you draft anyway, without much regard for Harrell's health. Some regard, but not as the driving force.

[KYPack]

I couldn't figure out how Harrell got hurt or what play it happened on. So, I went to the 'ol DVR.

Harrell was playing right guard! On the FG team. Crosby's 49 yarder with a minute gone in the second quarter. Harrell made a normal block, but a whole pile of guys fell on his knee from his left side. There was no coverage of it, as the network went to commercial. They only showed Harrell being assisted to the locker room.

He got a few snaps on defense and accounted himself pretty well. He got Jolly-like pressure on one play and held his own for the few snaps he played. Then, came the kick...

Poor cat has been hurt on FG's, in the weight room, & who knows what else.

He has just had the most star-crossed career you can imagine.

[pbmax]

There is a misconception out there that Harrell was hurt a lot in college. He really wasn't. In spite of playing only three games as a senior, he played 35 college games. He had a broken ankle as a freshman, but that was about it until the torn biceps.

Harrell's injury woes date all the way to high school, where he battled shin splints and had a bad lower back. At Tennessee, Harrell underwent surgery for shin splints on his right leg in 2003 and missed more than half of spring practice that year. That August, Harrell broke a bone in his right ankle and missed the first five games of the season.

Harrell missed two games in 2004 with a right ankle sprain, and then went injury free in 2005. But in Tennessee's second game of the 2006 season, Harrell suffered a torn biceps injury. He tried to play the following week against Florida, and then opted for season-ending surgery.

Harrell didn't take part in any contact drills during Green Bay's post-draft minicamps and organized team activities last year because of that same biceps injury. Then he missed five games during the 2007 regular season with an ankle injury.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/29421584.html

Ya? He didn't miss games even with the sprained ankle. Didn't start one but played, so what? Pickett had that too. He recovered enough to be DMVP in his Bowl game that year. That is not a significant injury history.

He played 32 games in three year before his senior year. Sounds like he was pretty much available all the time to me.

You'd think you could be more humble when you realize that red just Patlerized you.....

Maybe. But there is a significant difference in the accounts. Patler has him out for, what, a max of 4 games (assuming bowl games 12/yr*3 - 32) and JSO has him out seven. JSO looks like its piling different information into the paragraph to make it carry more weight. They don't mention if he missed High School games and the half of spring practice part is nearly laughable.

Still doesn't make much difference. He is out. And I agree that counting on him for a roster spot is a risk not worth taking. He is almost a camp body at this point.

[retailguy]

I'm not even sure that red's point was the number of games, but, rather the frequency.

Like Cullen Jenkins, the guy is always banged up except for 2005, it goes back to high school.

I wonder if the guys body just can't take the weight necessary for him to play DE? Not sure.

Cullen is hurt again too. Guy is always banged up. Tough SOB always plays through it if he can, but something isn't right, you know?

So if someone said that Jenkins is always hurt, I wouldn't disagree with them, but I do admire Jenkins for playing through it as much as he had.

[Patler]

There is a misconception out there that Harrell was hurt a lot in college. He really wasn't. In spite of playing only three games as a senior, he played 35 college games. He had a broken ankle as a freshman, but that was about it until the torn biceps.

Harrell's injury woes date all the way to high school, where he battled shin splints and had a bad lower back. At Tennessee, Harrell underwent surgery for shin splints on his right leg in 2003 and missed more than half of spring practice that year. That August, Harrell broke a bone in his right ankle and missed the first five games of the season.

Harrell missed two games in 2004 with a right ankle sprain, and then went injury free in 2005. But in Tennessee's second game of the 2006 season, Harrell suffered a torn biceps injury. He tried to play the following week against Florida, and then opted for season-ending surgery.

Harrell didn't take part in any contact drills during Green Bay's post-draft minicamps and organized team activities last year because of that same biceps injury. Then he missed five games during the 2007 regular season with an ankle injury.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/29421584.html

Ya? He didn't miss games even with the sprained ankle. Didn't start one but played, so what? Pickett had that too. He recovered enough to be DMVP in his Bowl game that year. That is not a significant injury history.

He played 32 games in three year before his senior year. Sounds like he was pretty much available all the time to me.

You'd think you could be more humble when you realize that red just Patlerized you.....

Right, 32 games in three years, the guy just couldn't get on the field. What was there, a max of 33-36 games?