Winner and Losers - @Philadelphia Eagles

[Bossman641]

Loser : A.J. Hawk... Didn't play 1 snap on defense

is this true? I honestly didn't remember seeing him once.

No. Hawk is credited with a tackle. But once Harrell was unavailable, they played much less base.

Actually, while reading through some articles tonight I saw this mentioned.

Inside linebacker A.J. Hawk didn’t play a snap on defense because the Packers were in their nickel or dime personnel on every play. Hawk is a starter in the Packers’ base defense but is replaced by Brandon Chillar in the nickel.

http://packersnews.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20100912/PKR01/100912053/Notebook-Injury-may-signal-end-for-Harrell

[packers11]

Loser : A.J. Hawk... Didn't play 1 snap on defense

is this true? I honestly didn't remember seeing him once.

No. Hawk is credited with a tackle. But once Harrell was unavailable (and Jenkins had to go to the locker room), they played much less base.

that was on special teams... A kick off I believe... He wasn't on the field on D ... I kept looking for him

[rbaloha1]

Loser : A.J. Hawk... Didn't play 1 snap on defense

Because of the health of the DL (and probably Philly's propensity to abandon the run), Capers did call a single snap out of base defense this game. I think that happened in one game last year, as well.

Hawk Apologist. Chillar is the #1. Did see Hawk for one nickel play. Matthews and Chillar throw their bodies around unlike Hawk.

Matthews is playing like Hawk is supposed to as a #1.

[Guiness]

How is it the base defense if they don't play it?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Hawk Apologist. Chillar is the #1. Did see Hawk for one nickel play. Matthews and Chillar throw their bodies around unlike Hawk.

Matthews is playing like Hawk is supposed to as a #1.

This happened last year. Doesn't mean Hawk isn't good in base. We were down to three DL (two of which were completely healthy). We couldn't kill them, so we went nickel on almost every play.

[pbmax]

Repeat from Game Day Thread, but for the sake of completeness:

McGinn isn't buying my argument. He gives Shields a pass with a mention of the TD as the only bad play.

He knocks Burnett for not getting to Celek on the long completion over the middle and for missing a tackle on the screen.

[Joemailman]

He's right about Burnett on the screen. Burnett has a problem with cutbacks. He has all the good and bad traits of a young Darren Sharper.

[Fritz]

Winners:

Mason Crosby. Well, he hit his FG's and set the team record for the longest field goal - with room to spare.

BJ Raji - showed why he was picked in the top ten. A monster.

Mathews, of course.

Tramon Williams. That dude played lights-out.

Losers:

Poor Justin Harrell. And that injury hurt the team today. Imagine had he been available - you could've rotated and had fresh legs. And the few snaps Harrell played, people said he did just fine.

Brandon jackson - I was very disappointed in his hesitations at the line of scrimage. Grant was ripping off runs because he hit the hole fast and hard. Jackson has been doing the same in preseason, but today he danced a lot and it cost him.

MM's late game play calling. You're trying to run out the clock. You run on first down, okay. But second down is the fake-the-handoff-and throw short. So could third down be. I mean, a short pass is fairly safe and would be more unexpected than the run.

Rodgers - Didn't look like his usual self

Tauscher/Clifton. They looked old and slow, like Favre on Thursday. Ruh-roh, Rastro.

[3irty1]

From Bedard's Twitter: Rodgers: "I played terrible, probably about as bad as I can play. It has got to get better...Missed throws I could make in my sleep."

Agreed.

Also Same Shields will lose the nickle job before the end of the year. He was worse than Jarrett Bush today. At least Bush stays with the guy who he can't cover. Shields was out of position constantly. Burnett over pursued on a couple of big run plays but held his own in coverage. Not sure if Bigby takes his old job back.

Noticed that we ran a bunch of 3-3 pass defense before our DL started getting hurt. Looked about like this:

............................52.....79.....90...... .77
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....38.........................56.......54........ .......21......................37
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..........................42
.................................................. .36

In this formation Clay is standing up. This formation was what won Jason Taylor the DPOTY with capers in Miami. Personally I like the look a lot and I feel it puts our 3 best DL on the field at once. Pickett and Raji get one hell of a push up the middle.

When we were in the 4-2 I thought Brad Jones played well. I expect that he might be a gamer. He was beaten to the sideline by Vick but I won't hold that against him. He's a decent pass rusher and seems to be able to shed blockers. He must be weak in practice or I can't understand why he wasn't a lock to start from day one of TC.

I thought the tackles played about as poorly as they've ever played, especially Tauscher. Had no success running off tackle and a couple of times they were beaten terribly by Phi pass rushers. On another note, if I'm PHI I feel great about my defense. Two good looking pass rushers who can also contain the run. I wouldn't mind giving Lang some play time.

Finally I thought the refs gave both teams a license to hold last night and also in the Bears games. A couple of times BJ Raji was just tackled but nothing was called. Clifton spun his guy around by the jersey more than once.

[mraynrand]

Tauscher/Clifton. They looked old and slow, like Favre on Thursday. Ruh-roh, Rastro.

Worrisome, but not panic button time yet. They both looked old and slow mostly against Cole, who makes young guys look old and slow. As older vets, it may take a couple of games for them to get warmed up to regular season speed.

[red]

I thought Raji was a monster today.

yes

[mmmdk]

Winners:

CLAY - A star already.

BJ RAJI - Taking huge steps to All star level.

Chillar - Energy'n'guts...but don't lose it like last season.

Chuck - Bad toe, bad cold can't stop Woodson.

Tramon - Like a pro.

Zombo - Cool name & I like sacks!

Mashtay - Nice but Lambeau & Chicago are another ballpark.

Crosby - First baby step to making doubters into believers.

Sitton - "Follow me, Kuhn!".

BJ - Okay game but he showed he can be a # 1 back when needed.

Jordy - Steady is good!

Kuhn - I said: 'Steady is good!'

Losers:

Hawk - Too harsh call but he's sliding on the depth chart.

McCarthy - Throw the flag??? Gameplan; is "just ok" your best!?

Burnett - Ah, he's a rookie.

Shields - Same as above.

Tausch - Get into gear!

Cliffy - Looking old!

Defense - Without Clay we lose to Mike Vick. 60 minutes please.

Rodgers - 3-0 in week 1 and that's your worst? Not worried here!

[pack4to84]

My Biggest Loser Is MM. Why did he not go back to Kuhn after he torched them for 2 big runs. Eagles had no answer for him. Their DL was under sized. MM should have pounded them with Kuhn like a Badgers Coach would have.

[channtheman]

My Biggest Loser Is MM. Why did he not go back to Kuhn after he torched them for 2 big runs. Eagles had no answer for him. Their DL was under sized. MM should have pounded them with Kuhn like a Badgers Coach would have.

Agree with this. Also did you guys notice that Jackson ran timid UNTIL Kuhn busted off his 13 yard run? Immediately after that Jackson was hitting the hole hard and looked like a running back for about the next 5-6 carries. Then we stopped running Kuhn and Jackson was back to being timid. Disappointed in MM from going away from what was working.

[pbmax]

My Biggest Loser Is MM. Why did he not go back to Kuhn after he torched them for 2 big runs. Eagles had no answer for him. Their DL was under sized. MM should have pounded them with Kuhn like a Badgers Coach would have.

How many fullback runs have you seen from the Badgers?