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    I'll probably get a lot of shrapnel here for this. In fact, I'm pretty sure I'm about to get torn into, but I feel like it's at least worth talking about. So here goes: I don't get all the "Donald Driver deserves more than the Packer's HOF" talk. Don't get me wrong--I really like Donald Driver and think he has the best first three steps out of any player in the NFL--but I don't think he's special as a football player.

    He's reliable and consistent. That he has going for him. I'm sure you've all heard this stat: Donald Driver and Reggie Wayne are the only active receivers to have 1000 yard in the last six seasons. Consistency and reliability go a long way, but they shouldn't be the only reasons someone gets honored.

    He's never been a dominant receiver. He also hasn't even consistently been the best receiver on his own team. Since claiming one of the starting positions in 2002, he's been the second receiver on the team five of those eight years (two to Javon Walker and three to Greg Jennings).

    Let's compare that to two other (relatively recent) receivers, both post '83 rule changes: Freeman and Sharpe. (Stats from Pro-Football reference, includeds TEs in rankings.)

    Sterling Sharpe was a starter every single season in Green Bay (7 seasons) and led the Packers in receptions, yards, and touchdowns in six straight years (he only had one TD reception his rookie year). He led the league in yardage in '92, in TDs in '92 and '94, and in receptions in '89, '92, and '93. He led all three categories in '92, a feat I'm sure hasn't been done often since the rule changes of '83. He was Top 5 in those categories four times each. He also had ten or more TDs four times.

    Antonio Freeman was a starter in six of his eight years in Green Bay and led the Packers in receptions, yards, and touchdowns in three of those years (yardage leader in four years, TD leader in four, reception leader in four). He led the league in yardage in '98. He was Top 5 in yardage once, Top 5 in TDs twice, and Top 5 in receptions once. He also had ten or more TDs twice.

    Donald Driver has been a starter in eight of his eleven years in Green Bay (through 2009) and has led the Packers in receptions, yards, and touchdowns in three of those years (yardage leader in four seasons, TD leader in four, reception leader in six). He never led the league in one of those categories but was in the Top 5 in each of the categories once. In the NFL's premier passing era, he has never hit a 10 TD year.

    There's no doubt he's one of the Top 4 wide receivers (Lofton, Sharpe, Freeman, Driver) in Green Bay's history in the last 50 years (well, 30 years for sure) in my opinion. But a "special place for Driver"? I don't see it. Not if there isn't one already for Sharpe and Freeman.

    Freeman led the team in yards and touchdowns in the superbowl season and in all three categories the year they lost to Denver. As of the end of 2009, he had eight more GB TDs in two less seasons and two hundred fewer receptions as a starter in GB.

    Sharpe was the most dominant receiver Green Bay had since at least Lofton and maybe Hutson (I've read some pretty good debates about that here). He consistently was one of the Top 5 receivers in the league for six years ('89-'94), and only his single TD in his rookie year kept him from being in that category all seven years in the league. You could argue that his stats came because he was the safety valve of a tunnel-visioned young QB, but he still made the catches, still racked up the yardage, and still scored the TDs--even when defenses knew he'd get the ball all the time.

    Driver is a great Green Bay Packer, but he's not NFL HOF calibur. His longevity has already passed Lofton's in a Packer uniform (and will tie him at the end of the year with nine seasons as a starter) at WR. He's a model citizen and has always been a team player (I mean that in the best way possible). But is he worthy of more than just the Packer's HOF? I don't know. If anything, I think the Packer's HOF has been too lenient, admitting some players because of fan name recognition only.

    His dependability, reliability, and character speak volumes about who he is as a Packer. Maybe the Packer HOF can add a new section for those who have been dependable, reliable, productive, have high character, are fan favorites, and embody what a Green Bay player should be. We'll call it the Henderson-Driver Distinction. Nominations for inaugural inductions?
    No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.

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    I have just issued a Fatwa against you Smidgeon. Better get used to hanging with Rushdie.
    C.H.U.D.

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      (even though you're right)

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      • #4
        He'll definately go into the Packer HOF. While I love the guy and the work ethic, I do agree with you that I don't feel he's a NFL HOF guy. It's not a slight on him at all, it's just acknowledging that it's a pretty high standard to get in there. If Art Monk can have the problems he did, what real chance does Driver have?
        All hail the Ruler of the Meadow!

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        • #5
          I think when it comes to Driver..he's a guy you just gotta love. I mean his story of how he got to where he is, is just incredible. Not to mention his great work ethic and personality...he is what the NFL should be. Unfortunately, the NFL doesn't have many role models like him anymore. You hear more about people getting DUI's, going to jail, or some criminal act.

          Now I agree with you that he's not an elite receiver - but he has been very consistent. BUT I think he is elite at YAC... he isone of/ if the not best YAC wide receivers in the league.

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          • #6
            Re: Donald Driver...Special?

            Originally posted by Smidgeon
            Maybe the Packer HOF can add a new section for those who have been dependable, reliable, productive, have high character, are fan favorites, and embody what a Green Bay player should be. We'll call it the Henderson-Driver Distinction. Nominations for inaugural inductions?
            Ken Ruettgers
            "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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            • #7
              Driver is a special player....everything you could ask for in a NFL professional.....but the NFL hall of fame is a tough sell at this time. Rodgers climb could change things though.
              C.H.U.D.

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              • #8
                Longevity and availability are two important ingredients when judging a player's career.

                No, he's not Pro Football Hall of Fame worthy, but he's better than Freeman.
                "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                • #9
                  They showed a stat in the preseason game against the COLTs that had Drivers numbers second only to Wayne over the same stretch of what? 6-7 years. There's something missing in Driver's resume compared to other top WRs. What could it be.
                  "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                  • #10
                    Anybody see Smidgeon's Car? Oh, there it is.

                    I can't run no more
                    With that lawless crowd
                    While the killers in high places
                    Say their prayers out loud
                    But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                    A thundercloud
                    They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                    • #11
                      Driver will likely own all the Packer receiving records by the time he's done. I agree that he's a reliable receiver that is not at the very top of the list in terms of his sheer football abilities.

                      But I'm one guy that thinks personal character is something that matters too, particularly when you see some of the self-absorbed low-lifes that go through this league. If there were a hall of fame for working unbelievably hard to overcome serious adversity in life, and then giving back selflessly of his time and money to those less fortunate, Donald Driver makes that Ring of Honor in any league for all-time.

                      That was the point I was trying to make Smidge. If you follow his career, there is story after story after story about how Donald Driver has made a positive impact in someone's life by showing him/her that he believes in them, that he has the time to give them, and that he can help make a small difference in people's lives. It's clear that means a lot to him, perhaps because he can relate in a lot of ways to those who don't have the same luxuries that most of us have.

                      I agree with you on his football abilities. He's an overachiever that has gotten to where he is through his unbelievable work ethic and character. And he hasn't forgotten his roots. It's all that which sets him apart from just about all of the rest of them in my eyes.

                      When events like 9-11 happen, we are all reminded that football really isn't all that important in the grand scheme. When a four-year old kid is stricken with Hodgkin's Disease, that reminder is limited to his or her family and closest friends. The rest of us go on with our lives none-the-worse.

                      Donald Driver makes time for those people every week of the year. Most of it goes relatively unnoticed. He gives the most important thing to them, his time and attention.

                      That doesn't get him in the NFL Hall of Fame, nor should it, but it puts him above the great majority of the Packer Hall of Fame members in my eyes. There should be a special place in history for such tremendous characters to be honored. When it's all said and done, that's what really counts.

                      Donald Driver is indeed a special player - very special.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mraynrand
                        There's something missing in Driver's resume compared to other top WRs. What could it be.
                        DWI? Manslaughter?
                        After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by HowardRoark
                          Originally posted by mraynrand
                          There's something missing in Driver's resume compared to other top WRs. What could it be.
                          DWI? Manslaughter?
                          I was thinking fumbles, but that could be it too.
                          "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                          • #14
                            Love Driver, but he's not going to Canton.

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                            • #15
                              You must've missed this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCcvKloTiik



                              "Everyone's born anarchist and atheist until people start lying to them" ~ wise philosopher

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