Week 3: 2010: Official Packers -v- Bears Game Thread

[jmbarnes101]

Can someone please explain to me how the punt return was allowed to stand? There wer two clear penalties that should have been called, a hold in the middle and a block in the back much worse than ours that sprung him.

The Bears may be disciplined but they're not good and they're not better than us. We will win the division and I would hate to be the Lions next week.

[channtheman]

Can someone please explain to me how the punt return was allowed to stand? There wer two clear penalties that should have been called, a hold in the middle and a block in the back much worse than ours that sprung him.

The Bears may be disciplined but they're not good and they're not better than us. We will win the division and I would hate to be the Lions next week.

You know the eagle eyes the refs had on the Packers but then failed to see on the Bears makes me wonder if the refs are payed. I know it sounds far fetched but how the fuck do they miss such an obvious block in the back?

[imscott72]

Can someone please explain to me how the punt return was allowed to stand? There wer two clear penalties that should have been called, a hold in the middle and a block in the back much worse than ours that sprung him.

The Bears may be disciplined but they're not good and they're not better than us. We will win the division and I would hate to be the Lions next week.

You know the eagle eyes the refs had on the Packers but then failed to see on the Bears makes me wonder if the refs are payed. I know it sounds far fetched but how the fuck do they miss such an obvious block in the back?

Lots of sports are corrupted so who knows. I can't imagine this is the case, but after the whole NBA scandal you wonder sometimes..

[TravisWilliams23]

The big screw up in the 1st half was Masthay's piss poor punt that
put the Bears in position for a short field to score. Pack was up 10-0
and that really made it a game.

I thought Jones was having a pretty good game until that last catch and
fumble. He turned some short passes into 1st downs by getting YAC.

McCarthy has to be the dumbest HC when it comes to challenges. If someone
is making the calls upstairs, they need to be let go. If MM is doing the
challenges himself, he needs to hire someone to advise him when to challenge.

Penalties are unacceptable. No excuse. Can't keep happening but they do.

Week 7 can't get here fast enough so the PUP players will be available.
I hope Starks is everything TT thinks he is because right now the running
game sucks. If Al Harris can play effectively that will help too.

Tough one to take because of how it went down but the sun will come
up tomorrow and Sunday will be here before we know it!

[denverYooper]

All that I can think of is Death by 1000 paper cuts.

[jmbarnes101]

Can someone please explain to me how the punt return was allowed to stand? There wer two clear penalties that should have been called, a hold in the middle and a block in the back much worse than ours that sprung him.

The Bears may be disciplined but they're not good and they're not better than us. We will win the division and I would hate to be the Lions next week.

You know the eagle eyes the refs had on the Packers but then failed to see on the Bears makes me wonder if the refs are payed. I know it sounds far fetched but how the fuck do they miss such an obvious block in the back?

Don't think the thought hasn't crossed my mind. My dad before he passed, 5 years ago, was absolutely convinced the NFL was rigged. Too much money at stake. Having said that, we may have made some mistakes but those refs were horse manure. One of the worst officiated games I've ever seen. Between the punt return and the PI on Morgan they should all be fired, immediately.

I pity the poor Lions.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Bears are tough against the run. I actually think Kuhn should be the #1 RB with Jackson as the 3rd down back. No, that wouldn't scare anybody, but I think they'll be good enough. The run blocking was poor tonight, but give credit to the Bears for that.

[vince]

This offense can still thrive with a limited run game. A lot of the short throws replace good runs anyway.

[HarveyWallbangers]

This offense can still thrive with a limited run game. A lot of the short throws replace good runs anyway.

See the Packers pre-1997.

[retailguy]

RE. Sheepshead's call for McCarthy's head: I'm not ready to fire him, but the penalties have been a consistent problem with McCarthy's teams. Tonight was just worse than usual, and no, I can't blame the refs. This team cannot contend for a Super Bowl with this propensity for penalties. A disciplined team would have won tonight. Lots of time to fix things, but there's some stuff to be worked on.

Im not either, but I have never been sold on the guy. I thought long ago we had one of the best GMs in football and a very mediocre HC. But we have been dealing with this very problem for 3 seasons. There are guys that have roomed that sideline that would never, ever have put up with this crap for this long.

I wonder how McCarthy feels sometimes about the organizational philosophy to go with a lot of these street free agent, low-round draft picks to develop. The "home grown" talent. It seems like there is never a lot of continuity on special teams, just a lot of young guys trying to make a football roster, and not a lot of stand-out talent. Seems like we discount special teams as a place to focus on and build up the best talent. The defensive backfield is also a question mark with some notable veteran talent, but a lot of question marks with the youth and inexperience. It worked once to roll the dice on an experienced DB like Woodson. Methinks the Packers would have been better off to try and get some help there after the Arizona game exposed them last year and the new and remaining depth was questionable and the fact that aside from Burnett, they apparently didn't see anyone on the draft board that did it for them.

there is no way in hell that excessive penalties are the GM's fault. My God TT gets blamed for everything on these boards.

MM was out coached last year in AZ by one of the best coaches in football, plain and simple. On paper we have one of the best teams in the league.

I didn't read the comments to be "blaming" Ted so much as talking about the shortcomings of the approach.

We don't have a lot of experience on special teams. When the bottom of your roster is extremely inexperienced, it can't be another way.

Ted isn't "to blame" for this loss, but he did select the players that play on special teams. However, McCarthy and staff are responsible for training them, and to me at least, that's where the blame for this game lies. Coaching, discipline and preparation. The Bears came ready to play. Some Packers came ready to play, but not all of them.

We've had these penalties for McCarthy's entire tenure. They disappear for brief periods from time to time, but they have never gone away.

[pbmax]

This offense can still thrive with a limited run game. A lot of the short throws replace good runs anyway.

See the Packers pre-1997.

But they can't survive bad field position, penalties and a lack of run game. Too much to overcome with a short to intermediate passing game. There were two drives that were picture perfect short pass play drives that died on penalties near the end.

[MadtownPacker]

Bears are tough against the run. I actually think Kuhn should be the #1 RB with Jackson as the 3rd down back. No, that wouldn't scare anybody, but I think they'll be good enough. The run blocking was poor tonight, but give credit to the Bears for that.

I know the idea of a great white hope dominates your thoughts but in this case I believe your racism is correct. Might as well let the white man run the ball cuz he boulders it through defenders in a way BJ just cant. Making him the starting RB should also get about 98% of the redneck Pack fans off his back for the week.

[mraynrand]

RE. Sheepshead's call for McCarthy's head: I'm not ready to fire him, but the penalties have been a consistent problem with McCarthy's teams. Tonight was just worse than usual, and no, I can't blame the refs. This team cannot contend for a Super Bowl with this propensity for penalties. A disciplined team would have won tonight. Lots of time to fix things, but there's some stuff to be worked on.

Im not either, but I have never been sold on the guy. I thought long ago we had one of the best GMs in football and a very mediocre HC. But we have been dealing with this very problem for 3 seasons. There are guys that have roomed that sideline that would never, ever have put up with this crap for this long.

I wonder how McCarthy feels sometimes about the organizational philosophy to go with a lot of these street free agent, low-round draft picks to develop. The "home grown" talent. It seems like there is never a lot of continuity on special teams, just a lot of young guys trying to make a football roster, and not a lot of stand-out talent. Seems like we discount special teams as a place to focus on and build up the best talent. The defensive backfield is also a question mark with some notable veteran talent, but a lot of question marks with the youth and inexperience. It worked once to roll the dice on an experienced DB like Woodson. Methinks the Packers would have been better off to try and get some help there after the Arizona game exposed them last year and the new and remaining depth was questionable and the fact that aside from Burnett, they apparently didn't see anyone on the draft board that did it for them.

there is no way in hell that excessive penalties are the GM's fault. My God TT gets blamed for everything on these boards.

MM was out coached last year in AZ by one of the best coaches in football, plain and simple. On paper we have one of the best teams in the league.

I didn't read the comments to be "blaming" Ted so much as talking about the shortcomings of the approach.

We don't have a lot of experience on special teams. When the bottom of your roster is extremely inexperienced, it can't be another way.

Ted isn't "to blame" for this loss, but he did select the players that play on special teams. However, McCarthy and staff are responsible for training them, and to me at least, that's where the blame for this game lies. Coaching, discipline and preparation. The Bears came ready to play. Some Packers came ready to play, but not all of them.

We've had these penalties for McCarthy's entire tenure. They disappear for brief periods from time to time, but they have never gone away.

I'd like to see you line up the special teams for various NFL squads an go through asking where the lack of experience resides. Packers have an (NFL) rookie punter, but where else is the inexperience. They have guys with multiyear ST experience out there - Chillar, Hawk, Bush (I know - he sucks so just let it go), etc. etc. Chillar slightly overran the coverage on the punt return for TD. Does he lack experience? I just assume you made up the lack of experience claim. If not, I'd really be interested to see the breakdown and where you think the inexperience cost them.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'd like to see you line up the special teams for various NFL squads an go through asking where the lack of experience resides. Packers have an (NFL) rookie punter, but where else is the inexperience. They have guys with multiyear ST experience out there - Chillar, Hawk, Bush (I know - he sucks so just let it go), etc. etc. Chillar slightly overran the coverage on the punt return for TD. Does he lack experience? I just assume you made up the lack of experience claim. If not, I'd really be interested to see the breakdown and where you think the inexperience cost them.

Agreed.

[retailguy]

I'd like to see you line up the special teams for various NFL squads an go through asking where the lack of experience resides. Packers have an (NFL) rookie punter, but where else is the inexperience. They have guys with multiyear ST experience out there - Chillar, Hawk, Bush (I know - he sucks so just let it go), etc. etc. Chillar slightly overran the coverage on the punt return for TD. Does he lack experience? I just assume you made up the lack of experience claim. If not, I'd really be interested to see the breakdown and where you think the inexperience cost them.

For Pete's sake.

We have one of the youngest teams in the NFL. The youngest players PLAY on Special teams. It is impossible for a 22 or 23 year old kid to be "experienced" in any sense of the word.

Your inability to comprehend more than ONE sentence at a time is staggering.

What do you suppose this statement meant?

However, McCarthy and staff are responsible for training them, and to me at least, that's where the blame for this game lies. Coaching, discipline and preparation. The Bears came ready to play. Some Packers came ready to play, but not all of them.

We've had these penalties for McCarthy's entire tenure. They disappear for brief periods from time to time, but they have never gone away.

You make unsubstantiated statements all the time. If you want facts, go prove your own statements.

It's really time to let this petty drivel go, don't you think?