Week 3: 2010: Official Packers -v- Bears Game Thread

[mraynrand]

I'd like to see you line up the special teams for various NFL squads an go through asking where the lack of experience resides. Packers have an (NFL) rookie punter, but where else is the inexperience. They have guys with multiyear ST experience out there - Chillar, Hawk, Bush (I know - he sucks so just let it go), etc. etc. Chillar slightly overran the coverage on the punt return for TD. Does he lack experience? I just assume you made up the lack of experience claim. If not, I'd really be interested to see the breakdown and where you think the inexperience cost them.

For Pete's sake.

We have one of the youngest teams in the NFL. The youngest players PLAY on Special teams. It is impossible for a 22 or 23 year old kid to be "experienced" in any sense of the word.

Your inability to comprehend more than ONE sentence at a time is staggering.

What do you suppose this statement meant?

However, McCarthy and staff are responsible for training them, and to me at least, that's where the blame for this game lies. Coaching, discipline and preparation. The Bears came ready to play. Some Packers came ready to play, but not all of them.

We've had these penalties for McCarthy's entire tenure. They disappear for brief periods from time to time, but they have never gone away.

You make unsubstantiated statements all the time. If you want facts, go prove your own statements.

It's really time to let this petty drivel go, don't you think?

Who were the young guys who screwed up? Do we really play our youngest guys on teams? Why not address that?

I read the line about preparation. I let it go, because I didn't want to harass you, but since you bring it up, It's speculation and as such is an empty statement. Do you have any inside information about their preparation this week? Was it better or worse than previous weeks, or did they just play a team with better special teams?

Sure I make unsubstantiated points here and there. If you call me on them, I'll either try to support them or back down. What will you do?

[Patler]

For Pete's sake.

We have one of the youngest teams in the NFL. The youngest players PLAY on Special teams. It is impossible for a 22 or 23 year old kid to be "experienced" in any sense of the word.

Sorry, but orange does not equal apple.

For example, the Packers were the youngest team in the NFL last year, so people used that excuse/complaint for some of their play on O and D. Problem was, they were something like the 5th oldest in the NFC if you looked at average games started by their starters.

Guys like Poppinga, Chiller, Bishop, Donald Lee, Kuhn, Hall, Martin, Peprah and Bush play extensively on special teams. I believe Hawk was in on one of Hester's returns. Collins is in at times, too. These are not inexperienced players or inexperienced special teamers. The coverage teams are not made up primarily of the youngest guys on the team, although a young guy like Crabtree can sometimes make the team based on ST performance.

[LEWCWA]

Bears are tough against the run. I actually think Kuhn should be the #1 RB with Jackson as the 3rd down back. No, that wouldn't scare anybody, but I think they'll be good enough. The run blocking was poor tonight, but give credit to the Bears for that.

I understand your thinking here, but damn MM doesn't even give the running game a chance. Jackson has to see some carries as the featured back, but it should be a 50/50 split...

[mraynrand]

Can someone please explain to me how the punt return was allowed to stand? There wer two clear penalties that should have been called, a hold in the middle and a block in the back much worse than ours that sprung him.

[lod01]

Excellent use of Greg Jennings in the 2nd half. Top notch!!!! Assholes.

[retailguy]

Who were the young guys who screwed up? Do we really play our youngest guys on teams? Why not address that?

I would think that a 37 yard line drive punt is a screw up. I would also think that Derrick Martin's decision to run his interception out of the end zone and get to the 10 yard line was also a screw up.

I didn't "address" those things because they were brought up multiple times today, and it wasn't necessary to make my point.

I read the line about preparation. I let it go, because I didn't want to harass you, but since you bring it up, It's speculation and as such is an empty statement. Do you have any inside information about their preparation this week? Was it better or worse than previous weeks, or did they just play a team with better special teams?

Do you think that "possibly" when I stated the following:

However, McCarthy and staff are responsible for training them, and to me at least, that's where the blame for this game lies.

I was referring to McCarthy's job responsibility and MY FUCKING OPINION as to where the blame lays?

As I stated earlier, you seem to be struggling with comprehending simple sentences today.

Sure I make unsubstantiated points here and there. If you call me on them, I'll either try to support them or back down. What will you do?

What I'll do is stand on what I actually said rather than your pathetic attempts to interpret what was printed on the screen.

I said two things,

1 - Ted picks the players that are on special teams, and that I didn't read the earlier quote to be bashing him specifically but merely that poster questioning the success of the young approach,

and

2 - McCarthy's job is to train the players that Thompson picks to be on the team, and that it was my viewpoint that he failed this week as special teams stunk.

Both of those things contain both facts and my opinion.

If you don't like it, don't read it. If you do read it, please put forth some effort in discerning what I said instead of what you wanted it to say.

[channtheman]

Jesus Retail. I don't know the history between you and anybody else but the way you handle someone misinterpreting what you actually meant is fucking pathetic.

[mraynrand]

Who were the young guys who screwed up? Do we really play our youngest guys on teams? Why not address that?

I would think that a 37 yard line drive punt is a screw up. I would also think that Derrick Martin's decision to run his interception out of the end zone and get to the 10 yard line was also a screw up.

I didn't "address" those things because they were brought up multiple times today, and it wasn't necessary to make my point.

I read the line about preparation. I let it go, because I didn't want to harass you, but since you bring it up, It's speculation and as such is an empty statement. Do you have any inside information about their preparation this week? Was it better or worse than previous weeks, or did they just play a team with better special teams?

Do you think that "possibly" when I stated the following:

However, McCarthy and staff are responsible for training them, and to me at least, that's where the blame for this game lies.

I was referring to McCarthy's job responsibility and MY FUCKING OPINION as to where the blame lays?

As I stated earlier, you seem to be struggling with comprehending simple sentences today.

Sure I make unsubstantiated points here and there. If you call me on them, I'll either try to support them or back down. What will you do?

What I'll do is stand on what I actually said rather than your pathetic attempts to interpret what was printed on the screen.

I said two things,

1 - Ted picks the players that are on special teams, and that I didn't read the earlier quote to be bashing him specifically but merely that poster questioning the success of the young approach,

and

2 - McCarthy's job is to train the players that Thompson picks to be on the team, and that it was my viewpoint that he failed this week as special teams stunk.

Both of those things contain both facts and my opinion.

If you don't like it, don't read it. If you do read it, please put forth some effort in discerning what I said instead of what you wanted it to say.

Martin's interception wasn't on special teams. He isn't inexperienced. A lot of defensive backs run INTs out of the endzone, with mixed success.

you wrote:

We don't have a lot of experience on special teams. When the bottom of your roster is extremely inexperienced, it can't be another way.

that's what I was responding to. I should have responded like Patler. I will do so now: I think this is incorrect. There is considerable experience on special teams for the Packers and as far as I can tell, they made three mistakes on teams - the line drive punt, the out of bounds kick by Crosby, and allowing the TD return. I don't think any of thee were due to inexperience or necessarily lack of preparation, but due to physical errors. That has nothing to do with Thompson's strategy - there appears - at least this year - to be no youth movement on teams. Perhaps your words mean something else, but I responded to what was there.