Nick Collins attacks a fan...

[bobblehead]

NOT SHOCKING but Disheartening that this happens in 2010

Guess he didnt vote for Obama even though chicago native

not interested in getting into discussion but white folk need/should understand the intrinsic mistrust of white ppl by majority of black folk..i mean, its not like ONLY drunken, depraved fans still view the afrikan as inferior outside of athleticism

actually, even though i just said im not interested in dialogue about this nonsense i wold LOVE to hear what posters feel is the "rationale" for hatred, disregard, contempt etc towards black ppl by some whites??? long-held stereotypes, self-loathing, simple mean-spirit of some?

ive never understood what the africka has ever DONE TO the white man to elicit feelings of disdain; while black folk have historically sought "acceptance," liberation, or seperate identification

i can see fear of the malcolm x types but majority of my peeps pursued assimilation and peace ala MLK..

will racism EVER end?

is the DEVIL involved?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIrKtoHYPsE

This actually does go both ways my brother.

For the most part whites have dropped racial bias. When a few ignorant whites spoute off they are instantly ostracized and verbally beaten down by OTHER WHITES.

When blacks act like this man other blacks make excuses for him.

When I encounter a MAN I judge him on HIM. The color of his skin doesn't come into play. However, many black people think that I should give him a pass for some reason or another. I believe that is an insult to every black man that excels and thrives.

[bobblehead]

Why didn't Collins just keep walking? There is no reason to engage a fan at an opposing stadium. Nothing good will ever come from it.

This is the side of sports that I hate. What prompts fans to take such a personal approach is beyond me. I hope the fan is identified and dealt with, too.

You are right Patler. It's an ugly side of sports that doesn't get enough attention. 99 times out of 100 Nick does keep walking. The same thing happens those other 99 times but no one hears a thing about it because the athlete keeps walking. I guess it's only news when the athlete responds.

That guy was probably doing it to all the Packers as they left the field. Possibly at halftime and before the game as well. Its almost become an accepted behavior. We hear things like "it's all part of the home field advantage".

Sports brings out crazy (and often bad) emotions in people. Look what it was like here (PackerRats) after the game Monday. There were some ugly comments made here about certain players and coaches..... and those comments were made by Packer fans. "MM is a this". "James Jones is a that." "Burnett is a this". "Crabtree is a that". ""TT is a #@*!". What if those who were saying those things here would have been standing at the tunnel the other night. Would they have been yelling those same things down at the Packers as they left the field? And if so......why?

It would make for an interesting study!

I disagree. If a Packer fan was yelling the N word down at another team in Lambeau I would bet dollars to donuts other fans would shout him down and tell him what a jack ass he is. I've seen it happen. I've done it myself.

Does it happen at all...sure, but I think 19 out of 20 times fans tell him to shut up.

[sharpe1027]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIrKtoHYPsE

This actually does go both ways my brother.

For the most part whites have dropped racial bias. When a few ignorant whites spoute off they are instantly ostracized and verbally beaten down by OTHER WHITES.

When blacks act like this man other blacks make excuses for him.

When I encounter a MAN I judge him on HIM. The color of his skin doesn't come into play. However, many black people think that I should give him a pass for some reason or another. I believe that is an insult to every black man that excels and thrives.

So, you think blacks act a certain way and whites act in another way, yet you don't think that you judge people based upon the color of their skin. We would all like to think of ourselves as completely unbiased, but it isn't a simple issue.

[Packgator]

Why didn't Collins just keep walking? There is no reason to engage a fan at an opposing stadium. Nothing good will ever come from it.

This is the side of sports that I hate. What prompts fans to take such a personal approach is beyond me. I hope the fan is identified and dealt with, too.

You are right Patler. It's an ugly side of sports that doesn't get enough attention. 99 times out of 100 Nick does keep walking. The same thing happens those other 99 times but no one hears a thing about it because the athlete keeps walking. I guess it's only news when the athlete responds.

That guy was probably doing it to all the Packers as they left the field. Possibly at halftime and before the game as well. Its almost become an accepted behavior. We hear things like "it's all part of the home field advantage".

Sports brings out crazy (and often bad) emotions in people. Look what it was like here (PackerRats) after the game Monday. There were some ugly comments made here about certain players and coaches..... and those comments were made by Packer fans. "MM is a this". "James Jones is a that." "Burnett is a this". "Crabtree is a that". ""TT is a #@*!". What if those who were saying those things here would have been standing at the tunnel the other night. Would they have been yelling those same things down at the Packers as they left the field? And if so......why?

It would make for an interesting study!

I disagree. If a Packer fan was yelling the N word down at another team in Lambeau I would bet dollars to donuts other fans would shout him down and tell him what a jack ass he is. I've seen it happen. I've done it myself.

Does it happen at all...sure, but I think 19 out of 20 times fans tell him to shut up.

I wasn't including racial slurs in my take. One can be way out of line in a verbal assult without using racial slurs. I agree that a verbal attack using race would not be tolerated by most of those in the vicinity. An out of line personal attack (without racial slurs) shouldn't be either.

[ThunderDan]

NOT SHOCKING but Disheartening that this happens in 2010

Guess he didnt vote for Obama even though chicago native

not interested in getting into discussion but white folk need/should understand the intrinsic mistrust of white ppl by majority of black folk..i mean, its not like ONLY drunken, depraved fans still view the afrikan as inferior outside of athleticism

actually, even though i just said im not interested in dialogue about this nonsense i wold LOVE to hear what posters feel is the "rationale" for hatred, disregard, contempt etc towards black ppl by some whites??? long-held stereotypes, self-loathing, simple mean-spirit of some?

ive never understood what the africka has ever DONE TO the white man to elicit feelings of disdain; while black folk have historically sought "acceptance," liberation, or seperate identification

i can see fear of the malcolm x types but majority of my peeps pursued assimilation and peace ala MLK..

will racism EVER end?

is the DEVIL involved?

The funny thing to me is that black players helped Chicago win on Monday night. So is it really a black thing or a way to try and stick it to a Packer player who is black?

[bobblehead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIrKtoHYPsE

This actually does go both ways my brother.

For the most part whites have dropped racial bias. When a few ignorant whites spoute off they are instantly ostracized and verbally beaten down by OTHER WHITES.

When blacks act like this man other blacks make excuses for him.

When I encounter a MAN I judge him on HIM. The color of his skin doesn't come into play. However, many black people think that I should give him a pass for some reason or another. I believe that is an insult to every black man that excels and thrives.

So, you think blacks act a certain way and whites act in another way, yet you don't think that you judge people based upon the color of their skin. We would all like to think of ourselves as completely unbiased, but it isn't a simple issue.

Yes. I do think that. I KNOW that. I see it on a daily basis. I gave examples. I can do it over and over. When I point out factual information, you don't get the right to say that I "think" something, therefore I judge them on the color of their skin...it doesn't work that way. Its called cultural. It has nothing to do with skin color. Racism implies thinking a race is superior. Prejudice implies judging someone without facts. My comments had nothing to do with that. Making blanket ACCURATE stereotype statements is not racism. At the extreme ends of the bell curve black men are faster than white men. FACT!! Culturally in America Black people are more fond of watermelon. FACT!! Any given black man is faster than a white man and more fond of watermelon...FICTION!!

Our biggest problem with race right here, right now, is that while most whites have moved on, most blacks have not. that is cultural, nothing to do with skin color. 10 years ago, it was not that way. Blacks certainly have had unfair treatment throughout history in America. In today's America, not really. I know too many hard working African Americans that have excelled through all sorts of diversity.

A black man who wants to "kill cracker babies" was up on charges of voter intimidation. Video evidence had him dead to rights. No white man in a similar situation would have EVER had the charges dropped. Yet the AG of the USA has dropped the charges. This is CAUSING racial tension, not helping it. This is also an example of how a black AG and president have made a decision based on race rather than the merits of the case.

[mraynrand]

NOT SHOCKING but Disheartening that this happens in 2010

Guess he didnt vote for Obama even though chicago native

not interested in getting into discussion but white folk need/should understand the intrinsic mistrust of white ppl by majority of black folk..i mean, its not like ONLY drunken, depraved fans still view the afrikan as inferior outside of athleticism

actually, even though i just said im not interested in dialogue about this nonsense i wold LOVE to hear what posters feel is the "rationale" for hatred, disregard, contempt etc towards black ppl by some whites??? long-held stereotypes, self-loathing, simple mean-spirit of some?

ive never understood what the africka has ever DONE TO the white man to elicit feelings of disdain; while black folk have historically sought "acceptance," liberation, or seperate identification

i can see fear of the malcolm x types but majority of my peeps pursued assimilation and peace ala MLK..

will racism EVER end?

is the DEVIL involved?

The funny thing to me is that black players helped Chicago win on Monday night. So is it really a black thing or a way to try and stick it to a Packer player who is black?

This is probably closest to the truth. I recall being in Philly for a Packer game and cheering the Pack as they went off the field. No racial slurs, but the vitriol and graphic language was astonishing to me, especially since it was a blow out win for Philly. I've been in a lot of lockerrooms and I had never heard some of the stuff those 'fans' were spewing. Fans that stick around to insult the other team already have several strikes against them - you've already self-selected for malcontents. What a collection of tools - especially Bears fans!

[sharpe1027]

Yes. I do think that. I KNOW that. I see it on a daily basis. I gave examples. I can do it over and over. When I point out factual information, you don't get the right to say that I "think" something, therefore I judge them on the color of their skin...it doesn't work that way. Its called cultural. It has nothing to do with skin color. Racism implies thinking a race is superior. Prejudice implies judging someone without facts. My comments had nothing to do with that. Making blanket ACCURATE stereotype statements is not racism. At the extreme ends of the bell curve black men are faster than white men. FACT!! Culturally in America Black people are more fond of watermelon. FACT!! Any given black man is faster than a white man and more fond of watermelon...FICTION!!

Our biggest problem with race right here, right now, is that while most whites have moved on, most blacks have not. that is cultural, nothing to do with skin color. 10 years ago, it was not that way. Blacks certainly have had unfair treatment throughout history in America. In today's America, not really. I know too many hard working African Americans that have excelled through all sorts of diversity.

A black man who wants to "kill cracker babies" was up on charges of voter intimidation. Video evidence had him dead to rights. No white man in a similar situation would have EVER had the charges dropped. Yet the AG of the USA has dropped the charges. This is CAUSING racial tension, not helping it. This is also an example of how a black AG and president have made a decision based on race rather than the merits of the case.

I never called you racist. I simply repeated what you said, you found that offensive.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The problem with this country is that we can't have an honest discussion on race. I have no problem with bobblehead's post--yet he was made to feel like his statement was prejudicial (however, slightly). It was his observation. I've seen it myself. My wife's stepfather is black. He's over 60. He's a great guy, but I feel like he and his older, black buddies (and others that I know) have the Jesse Jackson "victim mentality" vibe in them--mixed with a bit of anger (Jim Brown). I can't fault them for that. I haven't walked in their shoes. However, at this point I'm not sure if that's a very productive attitude to have resonate through much of the black community. I'm sure it's hard to change though--after growing up in South Carolina (like my father-in-law) during the Civil Rights movement.

And I still think Collins should have punched the dude in the kisser. Good for him for being the better man.

[sharpe1027]

The problem with this country is that we can't have an honest discussion on race. I have no problem with bobblehead's post--yet he was made to feel like his statement was prejudicial (however, slightly). It was his observation. I've seen it myself. My wife's stepfather is black. He's over 60. He's a great guy, but I feel like he and his older, black buddies (and others that I know) have the Jesse Jackson "victim mentality" vibe in them--mixed with a bit of anger (Jim Brown). I can't fault them for that. I haven't walked in their shoes. However, at this point I'm not sure if that's a very productive attitude to have resonate through much of the black community. I'm sure it's hard to change though--after growing up in South Carolina (like my father-in-law) during the Civil Rights movement.

And I still think Collins should have punched the dude in the kisser. Good for him for being the better man.

His statement is what it is. I am not trying to make it out to be any more or any less than what it is at face value .

I would just caution against making sweeping judgments about groups of people because of your observation of a few individuals.

[Tarlam!]

OK, this is an outsiders view, but I have a couple of obvserations.

1) The afro american is far superior in sports than his african counterparts, except maybe marathons. Why? The breeding programmes during the slave times brd for performance.

2) There are places in America that you get beeaten to a pulp if you are white. I doubt that's true vice a versa.

3) It's OK for a black person to call another black person a Nigger, but wo be tid if a white person says it. And where the hell did Wigger come from anyways?

Like I said, I'm an outsider, just making a few observations.

[mraynrand]

OK, this is an outsiders view, but I have a couple of obvserations.

1) The afro american is far superior in sports than his african counterparts, except maybe marathons. Why? The breeding programmes during the slave times brd for performance.

2) There are places in America that you get beeaten to a pulp if you are white. I doubt that's true vice a versa.

3) It's OK for a black person to call another black person a Nigger, but wo be tid if a white person says it. And where the hell did Wigger come from anyways?

Like I said, I'm an outsider, just making a few observations.

Ouch.

This guy scares me:



this guy, not so much:



These folks have zero athletic ability:

[Joemailman]

So, is the league going to do anything to Nick? Did the league do anything to Vick when he flipped off the Atlanta crowd a few years ago? I can't remember. I suppose a fine is possible.

[Brandon494]

OK, this is an outsiders view, but I have a couple of obvserations.

1) The afro american is far superior in sports than his african counterparts, except maybe marathons. Why? The breeding programmes during the slave times brd for performance.

sad but true

2) There are places in America that you get beeaten to a pulp if you are white. I doubt that's true vice a versa.

Ever heard of the LAPD?

Seriously it works both ways man, you walk into the wrong neighbor black or white and you'll get beaten. Whites know not to go to a certain neighborhood after it gets dark just like blacks know places down south not to go after it gets dark.

3) It's OK for a black person to call another black person a Nigger, but wo be tid if a white person says it. And where the hell did Wigger come from anyways?

First of all its Nigga, not nigger. Secondly when a black person says it to another black person its not in a demeaning way.

For example if one fat person calls another fat person a fat fuck you think he'll take it the same way as if a skinny person called him that?

Like I said, I'm an outsider, just making a few observations.

[Brandon494]

NOT SHOCKING but Disheartening that this happens in 2010

Guess he didnt vote for Obama even though chicago native

not interested in getting into discussion but white folk need/should understand the intrinsic mistrust of white ppl by majority of black folk..i mean, its not like ONLY drunken, depraved fans still view the afrikan as inferior outside of athleticism

actually, even though i just said im not interested in dialogue about this nonsense i wold LOVE to hear what posters feel is the "rationale" for hatred, disregard, contempt etc towards black ppl by some whites??? long-held stereotypes, self-loathing, simple mean-spirit of some?

ive never understood what the africka has ever DONE TO the white man to elicit feelings of disdain; while black folk have historically sought "acceptance," liberation, or seperate identification

i can see fear of the malcolm x types but majority of my peeps pursued assimilation and peace ala MLK..

will racism EVER end?

is the DEVIL involved?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIrKtoHYPsE

This actually does go both ways my brother.

For the most part whites have dropped racial bias. When a few ignorant whites spoute off they are instantly ostracized and verbally beaten down by OTHER WHITES.

When blacks act like this man other blacks make excuses for him.

When I encounter a MAN I judge him on HIM. The color of his skin doesn't come into play. However, many black people think that I should give him a pass for some reason or another. I believe that is an insult to every black man that excels and thrives.

I hear this a lot and I just want to understand....

Exactly what is it that these black people want you to give them a pass on?