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  • #1

    Can MM take this team to the next level

    I think he's a good offensive coach and is obviously pretty good at developing a QB.

    However I do not think he is good enough to coach a team to a super bowl. His teams are undisciplined and commit stupid horrible penalties. They also suck on a yearly basis on special teams.

    Speaking of special teams, some of that is at TT feet. They could have got some help w/ roster cuts but chose to keep what they had...which is isn't anything special. Its part coaching but also part talent. They just don't have enough talent on ST to be consistent.

    I've seen 2 bear games, and they won 2 games because of special teams. They kept Detroit inside the 20 yard line the entire game and then beat us w/ superior special teams.

    It seems we have a great offense, a good defense, and shitty special teams. They largely ignore special teams it would seem and don't place much emphasis on getting some ST guys that can play and make a difference.

    there are 3 important phases of a game and you really can't ignore any of them.
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    OK so we lost one game and he cant take us to the next level? MY GOD PEOPLE! Can he coach JJ NOT to get stripped like a Mercedes in the Bronx? Can he make the fing special teams guys actually tackle? Can he control bullshit calls? Can he coach the team to not get a blocked FG?

    This game was simply PISS POOR execution.
    Swede: My expertise in this area is extensive. The essential difference between a "battleship" and an "aircraft carrier" is that an aircraft carrier requires five direct hits to sink, but it takes only four direct hits to sink a battleship.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Tony Oday
      OK so we lost one game and he cant take us to the next level? MY GOD PEOPLE! Can he coach JJ NOT to get stripped like a Mercedes in the Bronx? Can he make the fing special teams guys actually tackle? Can he control bullshit calls? Can he coach the team to not get a blocked FG?

      This game was simply PISS POOR execution.
      WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON OUT THERE!!!
      "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Tony Oday
        OK so we lost one game and he cant take us to the next level? MY GOD PEOPLE! Can he coach JJ NOT to get stripped like a Mercedes in the Bronx? Can he make the fing special teams guys actually tackle? Can he control bullshit calls? Can he coach the team to not get a blocked FG?

        This game was simply PISS POOR execution.
        John McKay, in response to a question about his team's execution - "I'm all in favor of it."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tony Oday
          OK so we lost one game and he cant take us to the next level? MY GOD PEOPLE! Can he coach JJ NOT to get stripped like a Mercedes in the Bronx? Can he make the fing special teams guys actually tackle? Can he control bullshit calls? Can he coach the team to not get a blocked FG?

          This game was simply PISS POOR execution.
          bullshit calls? meh. I'm not playing that card because I can argue w/ very little of the calls made.

          Poor execution is a product of coaching.

          9475845 penalties in a game..could be a fluke, bad calls, or a trend. So based off the past few seasons, I'm going w/ a a trend. We have committed a shit ton of penalties the past few years. Whose that on? Whose job is it to get it in check?

          There is NO excuse for the amount of penalties this team has racked up over the past several seasons.

          Penalties and special teams cost us this game just like they have cost us several the past few years.

          Not to mention his game management and challenge decisions hurt us quite a bit during a season.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Packers4Glory
            Originally posted by Tony Oday
            OK so we lost one game and he cant take us to the next level? MY GOD PEOPLE! Can he coach JJ NOT to get stripped like a Mercedes in the Bronx? Can he make the fing special teams guys actually tackle? Can he control bullshit calls? Can he coach the team to not get a blocked FG?

            This game was simply PISS POOR execution.
            bullshit calls? meh. I'm not playing that card because I can argue w/ very little of the calls made.

            Poor execution is a product of coaching.

            9475845 penalties in a game..could be a fluke, bad calls, or a trend. So based off the past few seasons, I'm going w/ a a trend. We have committed a shit ton of penalties the past few years. Whose that on? Whose job is it to get it in check?

            There is NO excuse for the amount of penalties this team has racked up over the past several seasons.

            Penalties and special teams cost us this game just like they have cost us several the past few years.

            Not to mention his game management and challenge decisions hurt us quite a bit during a season.
            That last drive of the bears was salvaged by two bullshit penalties so rewatch the game.

            I liked the challenge you HAVE to do that there if for nothing else than to calm down the team and at full speed I thought he was out.

            You can coach all offseason camp and during the season and penalties happen when the guys get lazy. I am sure the football players on the field will tell you that it is them to execute the gameplan.
            Swede: My expertise in this area is extensive. The essential difference between a "battleship" and an "aircraft carrier" is that an aircraft carrier requires five direct hits to sink, but it takes only four direct hits to sink a battleship.

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            • #7
              Unfortunately not every team has Mike Tomlin.

              I do think M3 can win the SB for the simple reason that Payton did. They're quite similar, actually. Both are good offensive minds with creative, explosive offenses and both can be frustrating as game managers.
              When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.

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              • #8
                I honestly don't think the Packers can be the best team in the NFL (SB champs) with MM at the helm.

                He's a good coach, does a lot of things well -- he just can't ever be the best. Doesn't have what it takes.

                The longer he teases us with "pretty good" seasons because of the talent that TT has given him, the longer we'll have to endure ridiculous games like Monday night.

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                • #9
                  we need some of this mike:


                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocV5bGHdYag
                  Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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                  • #10
                    When we sweep the purple this year I hope the crow will taste good.
                    Swede: My expertise in this area is extensive. The essential difference between a "battleship" and an "aircraft carrier" is that an aircraft carrier requires five direct hits to sink, but it takes only four direct hits to sink a battleship.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tony Oday
                      OK so we lost one game and he cant take us to the next level? MY GOD PEOPLE! Can he coach JJ NOT to get stripped like a Mercedes in the Bronx? Can he make the fing special teams guys actually tackle? Can he control bullshit calls? Can he coach the team to not get a blocked FG?

                      This game was simply PISS POOR execution.
                      This. If Jones doesn't fumble, this thread likely isn't started.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by vince
                        Originally posted by Tony Oday
                        OK so we lost one game and he cant take us to the next level? MY GOD PEOPLE! Can he coach JJ NOT to get stripped like a Mercedes in the Bronx? Can he make the fing special teams guys actually tackle? Can he control bullshit calls? Can he coach the team to not get a blocked FG?

                        This game was simply PISS POOR execution.
                        This. If Jones doesn't fumble, this thread likely isn't started.
                        152 yards in penalties and we just ignore it? thats like 3 drives, just getting out of the way--here ya go right into field goal range.
                        Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by vince
                          Originally posted by Tony Oday
                          OK so we lost one game and he cant take us to the next level? MY GOD PEOPLE! Can he coach JJ NOT to get stripped like a Mercedes in the Bronx? Can he make the fing special teams guys actually tackle? Can he control bullshit calls? Can he coach the team to not get a blocked FG?

                          This game was simply PISS POOR execution.
                          This. If Jones doesn't fumble, this thread likely isn't started.
                          negative. Watching that many penalties is enough for me. I've been harping on this going on 2 years now. Maybe the thread is delayed because had he not fumbled we wouldn't have seen the stupid challenge that highlights his poor game management.

                          Penalties happen. Even if you get "bull shit" penalties, I promise you its because the Packers have built up a huge reputation for committing said penalties the past 3 -4 seasons.

                          thats discipline and that falls on the coaching staff when its been such an even trend over the past several seasons.

                          end of story.

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                          • #14
                            Offensive penalty yards NFL

                            2007-rank #2 1006 yards (2nd worst in NFL)
                            2008-rank #1 984 yards (worst in NFL)
                            2009-rank #2 1057 yards


                            Defensive penalty yards NFL

                            2007-rank #1 908 yards (worst in NFL)
                            2008-rank #15 721 yards
                            2009-rank #5 914 yards


                            Last good year we had as far as penalties was 2006 when we were in the bottom half of the lg.

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                            • #15
                              I couldn't agree more, while so many fans rip the crap out of TT(its allowed im not saying that) MM has largely gotten a pass for whatever reason. He should be on the shortest of leashes as far as Im concerned and with this team his expectations need to be very high for 2010-2011
                              Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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