Can MM take this team to the next level

[red]

i've never been a fan of M3. its clear he lacks discipline. he often gets out coached. he doesn't seem to be able to adjust very well when things don't go the way he planned them. and he lacks any killer instinct. he never finishes off a team when he has the chance too and all too often lets teams back in the game.

oh, and some of his buddy coaches he brings in and then coddels makes me want to bang my head on a stone wall

he always says, we'll get that fixed. when was the last time something got fixed? we're still having the exact same problems we had 3 years ago. he never fixes anything

i cringed when M3 got his extension after the magic favre year. i think he's a good QB coach and maybe even at offensive coordinator. but i think he's in over his head as a head coach. as i said in the game thread i think the player talent outweighs the head coaching talent

IMO

[Fred's Slacks]

The first 2 game were much better then this one.
Its early in the season.
We always play better the second half of the season.

I don't see why he can't take us all the way. It wasn't special teams and lack of discipline that lost the Steelers game or the Cardinals game last year. It was poor pass defense. I think we're better there this year.

[mmmdk]

I honestly don't think the Packers can be the best team in the NFL (SB champs) with MM at the helm.

He's a good coach, does a lot of things well -- he just can't ever be the best. Doesn't have what it takes.

The longer he teases us with "pretty good" seasons because of the talent that TT has given him, the longer we'll have to endure ridiculous games like Monday night.

What Mission says!

[Packers4Glory]

I agree w/ that he does a lot of things well. He just can't seem to hold the team accountable and get the discipline in check. Its all there in the penalty stats. Until that trend changes and both he and TT decide not to gloss over having a solid special teams group....I'm worried about the ability to win in January.

Again, the Bears won 2 of 3 games this yr on special teams. One in pinning Detroit deep in their own territory for most of the game, and one in beat the Packers punt teams and blocking a kick.

[mmmdk]

I agree w/ that he does a lot of things well. He just can't seem to hold the team accountable and get the discipline in check. Its all there in the penalty stats. Until that trend changes and both he and TT decide not to gloss over having a solid special teams group....I'm worried about the ability to win in January.

Again, the Bears won 2 of 3 games this yr on special teams. One in pinning Detroit deep in their own territory for most of the game, and one in beat the Packers punt teams and blocking a kick.

You have to admire what Lovie squeezes out of the roster he has at hands; ST was a huge part of Bears SB run season too. GB won SB with great D, great ST and a gunslinger at QB - kinda like what Bears are built though with their own style. Holmgren & Lovie are great leaders.

TT has built Packers a great defense & offense yet ST still is an issue but improving...and oh, Packers lack a true leader as head coach. McCarthy is ok but ok doesn't win titles.

NFC crown is up for grabs - Packers should be primed to snatch it but won't. Bears game was another evidence of McCarthy lead teams aren't galvanized for the task.

[Packgator]

he always says, we'll get that fixed. when was the last time something got fixed? he never fixes anything

Last season the Packers went 4-4 the first eight games. They went 7-1 the second eight games. Must have been some fixing going on.

[Packers4Glory]

he always says, we'll get that fixed. when was the last time something got fixed? he never fixes anything

Last season the Packers went 4-4 the first eight games. They went 7-1 the second eight games. Must have been some fixing going on.

Did you bother looking back at the schedule and looking at it from that point of view? We did manage to beat two good teams (Dal and Balt) at home. The dallas game was a big one in retrospect because we had just lost at home to Favre and then tanked in TB vs a horrible team.

I'll give him credit for refocusing the team and turning it around because I think the season was on the line at home vs the cowboys.

Overall we went 2-4 vs playoff caliber teams, AZ was a throw away and not counted.

[sheepshead]

Im not saying fire the guy but there sure is a lot more on him right now then there is TT.

[mission]

I really don't think MM is the SB winning coach for this team.

(updated)

[mission]

Im not saying fire the guy but there sure is a lot more on him right now then there is TT.

It's funny -- I'm at the Atlanta Packers bar today and kind of interacting with some of the patrons there. I'm in a definite minority in thinking MM is a major part of this team looking like it is. Most of what I hear is that TT needs to "trade for Lynch" and "sign a FA" when I'm talking trash with the guy next to me in the pisser. General Packer nation is like the JSO of real life IMO

[sheepshead]

Im not saying fire the guy but there sure is a lot more on him right now then there is TT.

It's funny -- I'm at the Atlanta Packers bar today and kind of interacting with some of the patrons there. I'm in a definite minority in thinking MM is a major part of this team looking like it is. Most of what I hear is that TT needs to "trade for Lynch" and "sign a FA" when I'm talking trash with the guy next to me in the pisser. General Packer nation is like the JSO of real life IMO

For sure. Someone actually wrote on here after the bears game that maybe the penalties are a result of TT not signing enough free agents or some such shit.

[denverYooper]

Im not saying fire the guy but there sure is a lot more on him right now then there is TT.

It's funny -- I'm at the Atlanta Packers bar today and kind of interacting with some of the patrons there. I'm in a definite minority in thinking MM is a major part of this team looking like it is. Most of what I hear is that TT needs to "trade for Lynch" and "sign a FA" when I'm talking trash with the guy next to me in the pisser. General Packer nation is like the JSO of real life IMO

For sure. Someone actually wrote on here after the bears game that maybe the penalties are a result of TT not signing enough free agents or some such shit.

A form of that, and a pretty popular argument, is that their youth is to blame.

[Pugger]

The one good thing I took away from yesterday's game is the # of penalties we committed against the loins. If we can continue to clean up that aspect of our play that will be huge. Then maybe next time we are on the road the outcome of that game will be vastly different than the debacle at Soldier Field last week.

[pbmax]

"We got that fixed."

-MM

[sharpe1027]

Just to play devil's advocate, penalties often occur when players are over-matched. A tackle doesn't hold unless he's worried about getting beat, he jumps offsides or lines up in the backfield when he's worried about getting beat off the edge. DBs get called for holding or PI when they are out of position, which often happens when a WR beats them. ect...

I think there's a bit of luck, a bit of coaching and some one-on-one mismatches that led the crazy amount of penalties.