Can MM take this team to the next level

[Packers4Glory]

Just to play devil's advocate, penalties often occur when players are over-matched. A tackle doesn't hold unless he's worried about getting beat, he jumps offsides or lines up in the backfield when he's worried about getting beat off the edge. DBs get called for holding or PI when they are out of position, which often happens when a WR beats them. ect...

I think there's a bit of luck, a bit of coaching and some one-on-one mismatches that led the crazy amount of penalties.

I get that. my gripe is at some of the stupid 15 yard jobbers they commit. aside from Zombo's which I can't hold him really at fault, it was just one of those accidental shots that happen. But Williams and Mathews both had absolutely stupid ones.

They also need to clean up special teams coverages and penalties.

The bears game was a perfect storm of bad penalties, ST, and being unlucky. Cutler had 2 INT's called back due to one accidental penalty and one where the WR stopped for a short ball that ended up being a pass interference on a ball that was going to be picked either way by collins. Plus another INT Woodson dropped in the 4th.

[denverYooper]

Just to play devil's advocate, penalties often occur when players are over-matched. A tackle doesn't hold unless he's worried about getting beat, he jumps offsides or lines up in the backfield when he's worried about getting beat off the edge. DBs get called for holding or PI when they are out of position, which often happens when a WR beats them. ect...

I think there's a bit of luck, a bit of coaching and some one-on-one mismatches that led the crazy amount of penalties.

I get that. my gripe is at some of the stupid 15 yard jobbers they commit. aside from Zombo's which I can't hold him really at fault, it was just one of those accidental shots that happen. But Williams and Mathews both had absolutely stupid ones.

They also need to clean up special teams coverages and penalties.

The bears game was a perfect storm of bad penalties, ST, and being unlucky. Cutler had 2 INT's called back due to one accidental penalty and one where the WR stopped for a short ball that ended up being a pass interference on a ball that was going to be picked either way by collins. Plus another INT Woodson dropped in the 4th.

And another one dropped by Collins earlier in the game. That *could* easily have been a 4-5 pick game.

[retailguy]

Can MM take this team to the next level?

No.

[mmmdk]

What if Packers had lost to Lions by a hair? Then McStubby is nothing but a liar. This game has more troubling red lights than I count on one hand and has the looks of an actual loss. McCarthy is the captain of the Packer sailing ship but he's trying to dive as if he captains a U-boat.
Dodgeball won't fix anything, Mister.

When you're playing badly [W or L] and as HC you're also fumbling too then admit it - don't lie or cover it up. But U can't fix McCarthy; he is what he is.

[TravisWilliams23]

I,m beginning to lean towards no.

After watching the Patriots special teams score 3 different ways tonight, I can't help but come to the conclusion that Green Bay's coaching is sorely lacking.

With this team, I never get a feeling they will block a punt or field goal. It's like there's no attempt to get things changed for the better. Same with the kick off and punt return team. Jordy has become a liability on kick offs and about the only positive about Tramon on punt returns is that he's sure handed.

Add all the injuries piling up to key players and this year's team is starting to look like a very ordinary football squad.

Can MM change it? Last year after the Tampa Bay loss the team responded with a 7 and 1 ending but they didn't have the injuries like this year. I'm still waiting for the Pack to play a complete football game where you just know they're going to win the game. That's on MM and his staff.

[3irty1]

I think MM is every bit the coach that Sean Peyton is and he did get it done. MM will be fine. His play calling/gameplan are always well thought out. He just doesn't have the management style of some other coaches that are involved with everything. McCarthy delegates and lets other coaches coach and the GM manage. I like that style for Green Bay.

[Smidgeon]

I think MM is every bit the coach that Sean Peyton is and he did get it done. MM will be fine. His play calling/gameplan are always well thought out. He just doesn't have the management style of some other coaches that are involved with everything. McCarthy delegates and lets other coaches coach and the GM manage. I like that style for Green Bay.

If anything, McCarthy's fault is staying loyal to coaches who aren't getting it done. *cough*Campen*cough*

[mmmdk]

I think MM is every bit the coach that Sean Peyton is and he did get it done. MM will be fine. His play calling/gameplan are always well thought out. He just doesn't have the management style of some other coaches that are involved with everything. McCarthy delegates and lets other coaches coach and the GM manage. I like that style for Green Bay.

I hope 100% you are right and I am wrong.

[Bretsky]

I still think MM is decent and am confident he can win the big one if he has the ammo

[pbmax]

Can MM take this team to the next level?

No.

What happened to the new outlook?

Or does belief in Ted not translate to belief in his coach?

[pbmax]

I think MM is every bit the coach that Sean Peyton is and he did get it done. MM will be fine. His play calling/gameplan are always well thought out. He just doesn't have the management style of some other coaches that are involved with everything. McCarthy delegates and lets other coaches coach and the GM manage. I like that style for Green Bay.

If anything, McCarthy's fault is staying loyal to coaches who aren't getting it done. *cough*Campen*cough*

They played the best of all the units against the best unit of the Lions.

No if you can convince me Campen is why they are all over the board, then I am all ears.

[retailguy]

Can MM take this team to the next level?

No.

What happened to the new outlook?

Or does belief in Ted not translate to belief in his coach?

Absolutely not. I've always tolerated McCarthy. During the losing streaks I've sometimes called him McCrappy.

His QB development is unquestioned. Anyone who can turn Aaron Brooks into a starter? Nuff said.

I'm not a fan of his in game adjustments. I'm not a fan of his OL and ST coaches.

More later...

Edit -

So, from my vantage point do you can the guy? Nope, probably not.

But I have doubts that he can improve the team from where it is now. The slow starting sporadic teams might be the best McCarthy can do.

We'll see over the next couple of years.

[Smidgeon]

I think MM is every bit the coach that Sean Peyton is and he did get it done. MM will be fine. His play calling/gameplan are always well thought out. He just doesn't have the management style of some other coaches that are involved with everything. McCarthy delegates and lets other coaches coach and the GM manage. I like that style for Green Bay.

If anything, McCarthy's fault is staying loyal to coaches who aren't getting it done. *cough*Campen*cough*

They played the best of all the units against the best unit of the Lions.

No if you can convince me Campen is why they are all over the board, then I am all ears.

Well, it's more frustration out of the Slocum promotion... and the Sanders retainment at the beginning of his tenure. It's pure speculation, but I think that TT encouraged him to find a more experience/successful D-coordinator when M3 got Capers. The rest of M3's hires have been "safe" in-house hires. So that's an area where I think he needs some improvement. He could have gone after Tice (a proven O-line coach) or someone else or the Bills' old ST coach. I'm not saying they're proven, but as coaches, experience matters more than 40 times.

[gbgary]

Re: Can MM take this team to the next level

Can MM take this team to the next level?

the next level must be overrated.

[MichiganPackerFan]

I've been a lot happier with MM's tenure than I was with Sherman's. With sherman it felt like the team was always in a slide. MM's teams seem to improve throughout the season. I've been concerned with the failure to develop the OL with so many players coming and going, but let's not forget Sherman's choke jobs in the playoffs. Nevermind: it's ok to forget.