Running Back Rumors

[imscott72]

Just got a tweet that the Eagles are after Lynch now that McCoy is hurt.

Watch them get him for like a 5th!

If that happens Packer Nation will have a meltdown..

[pbmax]

We're lucky we run West Coast. A lot of the short passes act as a run game for us and help us pick up chunks of yards. Also add in Rodgers athleticism and we're fine.

With that being said, it would still be nice to get a solid RB ,but at a good price. No reason to give up too much.

TT will NOT give up much at all to improve our team in the RB position.

TT's not the type of GM who'll seize the moment and ' go for the HOME RUN ' move. That's frustrating to some Packer fans. It is what it is with GM Ted Thompson's ways. It may seem to some that this approach will not benefit us with the results we are so close to harvesting or enjoying, but that is moot. I sense that we have to remain patient with Ted Thompson; not be over optimistic this season. TT is certainly patient and believes in his style of managing our team and is in for the long term. To give us a competitive team that will be a consistent playoff contender.

TT has the support of many in Packer Nation. To be there demands TT's patience and a complete acceptance and understanding of TT's style of managing.

Does the debate lie here:

Is it about winning it all or the receipts? When was the last time a Packer game wasn't sold out? I personally hope that Ted Thompson goes for it and takes us deeper in the playoff this season. Will that ' be the case '? I don't know ! I cannot as yet predict that as the enevitable and positive result based on present circumstances. We just came off two stinker games . Losing a stinker of an effort in a penalty filled game and that was inexcusable on behalf of the discipline that MM and his coaching staff is totally responsoble for. Ity's MM and the coach's task to field a disciplined team and for his GM (Ted Thompson) to supply MM and his staff with the players with the correct work ethic, effort, discipline and talent to get it done.

That's all any of us can hope for. A team that wins more than it loses for a start and we have that now. We are 3 and 1 in a crazy start to this NFL season with only one team ' the KC Chiefs ' remaining undefeated, and only after week 4. We can enjoy that fact now . WE are contending for the NFCN Championship and tied with the team that defeated us in week 3 or the Bears in a game that was simply ugly from a standpoint of pathetic team discipline and without that usual ' coup de grace ', we win that game and sit today at FOUR and ZERO.

It takes discipline and alot more to win a Super Bowl. It takes alot to be NFC Champion. It takes alot to get to the NFC Championship game. It takes alot to win an NFCN Championship. It takes alot to make the playoffs 'as a Wild Card'. It takes alot to be a winning team.

You people that will accept nothing but a Super Bowl are sadly setting yourselves up for alot of pain. Those of you that hope that our team can be NFCN Champs are more realisticly balanced.

Personally as a Packer fan. I'd be pleased to see the Green Bay Packers win the NFCN. To be in the NFC Championship game would be a wonderful bonus. To win the NFC Championship and go to a Super Bowl? Let's be realistic Packer fans. WE have Ted Thompson as our GM. This man moves very slow , carefully 'all CAPS'. Any Packer fan certainly has witnessed that as ' a fact for our lives ', as Packer fans. He's generally speaking not willing to take even a calculated risk as I've observed him but he has had his moments of whatb some will deem genious.

I hope that he's being fair to himself and still on his learning curve. His prime objective being. To guide our team to a possible Super Bowl win. AS we see our team today. Are we really there yet? I don't see it but we're 3 and 1 and there's time on our side this season as not alot will be determined until we're into the last 40% of our schedule. Just RELAX and enjot the ride Packer fans.

This is what I know. Winning a conference Championship is all about balance, timing and consistency. Confidence inspired in the teams players and coaching staff. Provided in terms of seeing results that have a return in the 'W' column. It's having a HC and staff that takes care of problems as soon as they arise pro actively and not just saying what he knows we want or need to hear. A HC and his staff and his GM that deals with adversity as it arises and 'nips it in the bud '. A Head Coach that has the parts and ensures that the teams GM ' is on task '. The Head Coach is on the firing line as the first man that looks good or bad depended on how much support he gets from the man that must supply him with the talent needed to defeat the opposition. That would be the team we see in Green Bay or HC Michael Murphy ( MM ) and his GM Ted Thompson ( TT ).

A team approach with all hands on board and that, with lofty sights in mind or otherwise. A realistic approach to seeing objectives achieved. All players on that team ( a GM and his choice of HC and his staff and all team players ) working very hard as a collective; acting positively and supportively ' on the same page ' in terms of objectives.

If it's not working a ' fix it now ' approach may come at a huge cost and with all respect for those of you that totally love our GM, that's far and removed or not as I view Ted Thompson.

It's by far generally, just a wait and wait even more to see what TT will or won't do. Personally I've desired TT to be a tad more agressive. That's just my personality coming forward. I"ve long past given up hoping for TT and anything. I predict that it will be as we've always seen for any near future scenario involving team growth or reaction to adversity.

As a Packer fan I must now weigh in with Ted Thompson's personality and be very patient. Enjoy just, all ' he decides ' to give to me. Im right where I need to be or to enjoy the best our team has to offer and not be wildly optimistic.

Specific to the issue and concern regarding of our running game, or a closer examination of what he's already put in place. I believe that TT see's and hopes that a real prospect will presently be coming through in new addition Starks. TT may continue with the dual RB approach as MM and he see best for our West Coast Offense. Eventually adding the talent of Starks (lets be positive) to the production we've enjoyed with Ryan Grant when and hopefully he returns at 100%.

Till then it's just what it is. I know that that MM has to have the parts to ask his GM Ted Thompson for more if he needs more for his offensive game plans. Packer fasns are hungry to see their team get to the upper echelon in the NFL. To not go just so far and flop. On that note I want our GM to be on the job every waking moment of every day. Positive or ' Pro Active '. Always looking to improve our team. I want TT to see only one short or long term objective. To satisfy Packer Nation with a Super Bowl berth before the good parts TT does have in place gather rust.

I know that TT can be aggressive. I loved the move he made to add CB Charles Woodson to our roster. That move gave me real hope that TT was a ' go for it ' GM. Aaron Rodgers fell to us in the draft. TT knew he needed a solid College QB prospect with the tools and winning attitude to eventually replace Brett Favre. The reality of that move was one that set aside the now for the future. I believe the best move I've seen TT make was bringing in Charles Woodson. A solid FA signing and an aggressive move that has turned out very well for our team.

Do we need a solid RB now? Yes we do. Will TT wait and see what the results will be as the RB stable exists? I believe that will be it based on this man's ways. He may tweek the position a wee bit but make an aggressive move soon? Nope he'll stand pat unless he sets up a deal that is only in favor of his ways or personality. This man isw ultra conservative and careful. Obviously his boss (s) are fine with the TT ways.

We ... 'the Packer fans', can go with a wish and a prayer or simply enjoy our team try their best to win the NFCN. That best has to be supported all throughout the Packer Organization and in terms of the karma we as fans may offer.

Y'all may as well relax in terms of wants. Our GM is Ted Thompson.

GO PACK ! ... GO !![/i]

Woodbuck, your entire post rests on an assumption; that there is a running back worth trading for who is available. All your rhetorical questions about whether Thompson is psychologically capable of making a trade like this are putting the cart before the horse.

Does anyone have any solid info that either Williams or Lynch is actually available?

[Joemailman]

Just got a tweet that the Eagles are after Lynch now that McCoy is hurt.

Watch them get him for like a 5th!

If that happens Packer Nation will have a meltdown..

Why? The running game isn't the huge problem people think it is. Packers are 18th in the NFL in YPC. Better than a lot of teams that have Pro Bowl caliber RB's.

[steve823]

We're lucky we run West Coast. A lot of the short passes act as a run game for us and help us pick up chunks of yards. .

I've heard this can work.

Blashphemy! You must use the run to setup the pass. It never works the other way around.

Did I say that it would substitute the running game? NO. Don't put words in my mouth. Obviously we still need a running game, who doesn't ? I was saying that the short passes in the West Coast will help us a little.

[woodbuck27]

We're lucky we run West Coast. A lot of the short passes act as a run game for us and help us pick up chunks of yards. Also add in Rodgers athleticism and we're fine.

With that being said, it would still be nice to get a solid RB ,but at a good price. No reason to give up too much.

TT will NOT give up much at all to improve our team in the RB position.

TT's not the type of GM who'll seize the moment and ' go for the HOME RUN ' move. That's frustrating to some Packer fans. It is what it is with GM Ted Thompson's ways. It may seem to some that this approach will not benefit us with the results we are so close to harvesting or enjoying, but that is moot. I sense that we have to remain patient with Ted Thompson; not be over optimistic this season. TT is certainly patient and believes in his style of managing our team and is in for the long term. To give us a competitive team that will be a consistent playoff contender.

TT has the support of many in Packer Nation. To be there demands TT's patience and a complete acceptance and understanding of TT's style of managing.

Does the debate lie here:

Is it about winning it all or the receipts? When was the last time a Packer game wasn't sold out? I personally hope that Ted Thompson goes for it and takes us deeper in the playoff this season. Will that ' be the case '? I don't know ! I cannot as yet predict that as the enevitable and positive result based on present circumstances. We just came off two stinker games . Losing a stinker of an effort in a penalty filled game and that was inexcusable on behalf of the discipline that MM and his coaching staff is totally responsoble for. Ity's MM and the coach's task to field a disciplined team and for his GM (Ted Thompson) to supply MM and his staff with the players with the correct work ethic, effort, discipline and talent to get it done.

That's all any of us can hope for. A team that wins more than it loses for a start and we have that now. We are 3 and 1 in a crazy start to this NFL season with only one team ' the KC Chiefs ' remaining undefeated, and only after week 4. We can enjoy that fact now . WE are contending for the NFCN Championship and tied with the team that defeated us in week 3 or the Bears in a game that was simply ugly from a standpoint of pathetic team discipline and without that usual ' coup de grace ', we win that game and sit today at FOUR and ZERO.

It takes discipline and alot more to win a Super Bowl. It takes alot to be NFC Champion. It takes alot to get to the NFC Championship game. It takes alot to win an NFCN Championship. It takes alot to make the playoffs 'as a Wild Card'. It takes alot to be a winning team.

You people that will accept nothing but a Super Bowl are sadly setting yourselves up for alot of pain. Those of you that hope that our team can be NFCN Champs are more realisticly balanced.

Personally as a Packer fan. I'd be pleased to see the Green Bay Packers win the NFCN. To be in the NFC Championship game would be a wonderful bonus. To win the NFC Championship and go to a Super Bowl? Let's be realistic Packer fans. WE have Ted Thompson as our GM. This man moves very slow , carefully 'all CAPS'. Any Packer fan certainly has witnessed that as ' a fact for our lives ', as Packer fans. He's generally speaking not willing to take even a calculated risk as I've observed him but he has had his moments of whatb some will deem genious.

I hope that he's being fair to himself and still on his learning curve. His prime objective being. To guide our team to a possible Super Bowl win. AS we see our team today. Are we really there yet? I don't see it but we're 3 and 1 and there's time on our side this season as not alot will be determined until we're into the last 40% of our schedule. Just RELAX and enjot the ride Packer fans.

This is what I know. Winning a conference Championship is all about balance, timing and consistency. Confidence inspired in the teams players and coaching staff. Provided in terms of seeing results that have a return in the 'W' column. It's having a HC and staff that takes care of problems as soon as they arise pro actively and not just saying what he knows we want or need to hear. A HC and his staff and his GM that deals with adversity as it arises and 'nips it in the bud '. A Head Coach that has the parts and ensures that the teams GM ' is on task '. The Head Coach is on the firing line as the first man that looks good or bad depended on how much support he gets from the man that must supply him with the talent needed to defeat the opposition. That would be the team we see in Green Bay or HC Michael Murphy ( MM ) and his GM Ted Thompson ( TT ).

A team approach with all hands on board and that, with lofty sights in mind or otherwise. A realistic approach to seeing objectives achieved. All players on that team ( a GM and his choice of HC and his staff and all team players ) working very hard as a collective; acting positively and supportively ' on the same page ' in terms of objectives.

If it's not working a ' fix it now ' approach may come at a huge cost and with all respect for those of you that totally love our GM, that's far and removed or not as I view Ted Thompson.

It's by far generally, just a wait and wait even more to see what TT will or won't do. Personally I've desired TT to be a tad more agressive. That's just my personality coming forward. I"ve long past given up hoping for TT and anything. I predict that it will be as we've always seen for any near future scenario involving team growth or reaction to adversity.

As a Packer fan I must now weigh in with Ted Thompson's personality and be very patient. Enjoy just, all ' he decides ' to give to me. Im right where I need to be or to enjoy the best our team has to offer and not be wildly optimistic.

Specific to the issue and concern regarding of our running game, or a closer examination of what he's already put in place. I believe that TT see's and hopes that a real prospect will presently be coming through in new addition Starks. TT may continue with the dual RB approach as MM and he see best for our West Coast Offense. Eventually adding the talent of Starks (lets be positive) to the production we've enjoyed with Ryan Grant when and hopefully he returns at 100%.

Till then it's just what it is. I know that that MM has to have the parts to ask his GM Ted Thompson for more if he needs more for his offensive game plans. Packer fasns are hungry to see their team get to the upper echelon in the NFL. To not go just so far and flop. On that note I want our GM to be on the job every waking moment of every day. Positive or ' Pro Active '. Always looking to improve our team. I want TT to see only one short or long term objective. To satisfy Packer Nation with a Super Bowl berth before the good parts TT does have in place gather rust.

I know that TT can be aggressive. I loved the move he made to add CB Charles Woodson to our roster. That move gave me real hope that TT was a ' go for it ' GM. Aaron Rodgers fell to us in the draft. TT knew he needed a solid College QB prospect with the tools and winning attitude to eventually replace Brett Favre. The reality of that move was one that set aside the now for the future. I believe the best move I've seen TT make was bringing in Charles Woodson. A solid FA signing and an aggressive move that has turned out very well for our team.

Do we need a solid RB now? Yes we do. Will TT wait and see what the results will be as the RB stable exists? I believe that will be it based on this man's ways. He may tweek the position a wee bit but make an aggressive move soon? Nope he'll stand pat unless he sets up a deal that is only in favor of his ways or personality. This man isw ultra conservative and careful. Obviously his boss (s) are fine with the TT ways.

We ... 'the Packer fans', can go with a wish and a prayer or simply enjoy our team try their best to win the NFCN. That best has to be supported all throughout the Packer Organization and in terms of the karma we as fans may offer.

Y'all may as well relax in terms of wants. Our GM is Ted Thompson.

GO PACK ! ... GO !![/i]

Woodbuck, your entire post rests on an assumption; that there is a running back worth trading for who is available. All your rhetorical questions about whether Thompson is psychologically capable of making a trade like this are putting the cart before the horse.

Does anyone have any solid info that either Williams or Lynch is actually available?

" Woodbuck, your entire post rests on an assumption; that there is a running back worth trading for who is available. All your rhetorical questions about whether Thompson is psychologically capable of making a trade like this are putting the cart before the horse. " pbmax

Yup your correct pbmax and I'll take that one step forward. I do believer that TT is psychologically capable of acquiring one of these RB's and 'only' if so motivated?

Then there's 'the getting it done' or 'pulling the trigger', if TT is so motivated to acquire Williams (Carolina) or Lynch (Buffalo).

That being that the Panthers (Wiliams) or the Bills (Bills) have something we have and desire to fill certain need. That TT may indeed offer in return correspondingly for that teams need for either of these teams RB's, if indeed, one or the other RB's is 'in fact' available and TT covets either one of them and; or simply, the team that owns that RB's rights that TT likes agrees with TT in terms of 'a fair trade'.

Certainly alot of open questions and/or if's pbmax. Your point is valid.

I see it this way. A team should play their cards close to their chest in terms of getting the most retrurn of any player that may be available. NFL teams are well aware of the difficulties surrounding dealing with the Packers GM. The Silver Fox that he is, or as this Packer fan observes him to be.

With the recent news we're receiving RE: the sudden added adversity on the defensive side of the ball. That 'not good news', leads me to believe that we have to compensate moreso with a more prominant and consistent offense and specifically, keep the other teams defense on the field as long as possible.

We need to best and more realistically do that by improving our running game. We also know that MM likes that approach (to establish a running game), or at least, it seems it's been that way in our most recent past.

If that element of our offense doesn't improve sufficiently for MM and his staff and MM asks for help for his running game? We may then see TT make a serious move or a prominant player trade.

This would be a time related (game success or not related factor). A results related decision. It only remains to be seen what TT may or may not do and as a result our concerns here RE: our running game are moot and a distraction to just enjoying football.

GO PACK GO!

[Freak Out]

Hell....we need to trade for defense now.

[Joemailman]

Anybody still think we should have traded Hawk for Marshawn Lynch? I mean other than Desmond Bishop?

[woodbuck27]

Anybody still think we should have traded Hawk for Marshawn Lynch? I mean other than Desmond Bishop?

Given that TT actually desired or seriously considered RB M. Lynch of ' the Bills ' on our roster:

a) Did ' the Bills ' want or need AJ Hawk?

Fact: Few Bills fans favoured such a move as I observed this rumor going into it's early stages.

b) Would ' the Bill's GM ' or would any NFL Team's GM, buy into picking up a one dimensional LBer as we're now aware that AJ Hawk has shown to be in our latest defensive scheme?

c) Isn't it this?

AJ Hawk's skills would have to be a perfect fit for any NFL franchise given the money he would desire. ' Of course ', AJ Hawk wants to remain a Green Bay Packer. He's going to be paid very handsomely if he remains ' a Packer ' in 2011.

Adding this issue or considering the amount of money TT agreed to pay him in his present contract for 2011.

d) Wasn't that prospect of AJ Hawk to 'the Bills for RB Marshawn Lynch too complicated an issue? (i) Given both the Bills primary needs that arn't at LBer. (ii) Given the prospects in place for their future in that position, weighed against. One more solid LBer doesn't hurt a team except to fill a roster spot and detract from need elsewhere on the teams depth chart.

I do have ** a question.

If the Bills agreed to go for a trade for AJ Hawk straight up for RB Marshawn Lynch and when I did my own investigation into this rumor. I personally felt that unlikely all things considered. So more realistically: (i) AJ Hawk and another player. Say a TE or a secondary position player or (ii) AJ Hawk and a late round draft pick.

** Question **:

Could ' the Bills ', by NFL contract rules, have made a deal, contingent on
'the Packers' agreeing to pick up a large chunk of the salary 'the Packers' agreed to for next season for AJ Hawk?

I believe that this sort of arrrangement goes on in the NHL and MLB.

GO PACK GO!

[pbmax]

Just got a tweet that the Eagles are after Lynch now that McCoy is hurt.

PFT has that Eagle interest and adds this from Schefter:

The Bills let it be known repeatedly they want to keep Lynch. But a report from ESPN's Adam Schefter Sunday makes you wonder.

"At one point last week, league sources said Buffalo seriously contemplated dealing running back Marshawn Lynch, but ultimately decided not to do it," Schefter writes. "For now, the Bills are planning on keeping Lynch past the NFL's Oct. 19 trade deadline."

If the source of Schefter's material is accurate, either the Bills don't have any idea what they are doing (entirely possible) or they are holding an unpublicized auction.

[pbmax]

I do not think NFL rules allow the trading of money, at least in terms of cash. But the Bills could ask Hawk to restructure and its possible the Packers could sign that contract, handle the bonus and then complete the trade.

But that puts all the risk on the Packers and doesn't seem wise. I do not remember a similar transaction taking place elsewhere. Plus, the Hawk rumors are less urgent now because the injured Bills linebacker, Paul Posluszny, is close to returning.

[Patler]

The Bills let it be known repeatedly they want to keep Lynch. But a report from ESPN's Adam Schefter Sunday makes you wonder.

"At one point last week, league sources said Buffalo seriously contemplated dealing running back Marshawn Lynch, but ultimately decided not to do it," Schefter writes. "For now, the Bills are planning on keeping Lynch past the NFL's Oct. 19 trade deadline."

If the source of Schefter's material is accurate, either the Bills don't have any idea what they are doing (entirely possible) or they are holding an unpublicized auction.

In fairness to the Bills, perhaps they decided at some point to keep Lynch before the season, and kept with that, but are reconsidering that decision now. Teams often re-evaluate their rosters after the first 4-6 games, and those that are going no where sometimes shake things up a bit. The Bills could be doing that, just as the Packers did when they released guys like Joey Thomas, Ahmad Carroll and Aaron Rouse who had significant roles on the team at the times of their releases. The Bills may be thinking it is time to move on, get what they can for Lynch and make changes.

They released Jamon Meredith yesterday. At one point they said he was pushing for a starting job. I would not be surprised to see more roster changes from them.