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    Green Bay - Anybody thinking that rookie linebacker A.J. Hawk was going to walk in and take the Green Bay Packers' training camp by storm would be disappointed.

    Not only has Hawk yet to show the punishing big-play capability that led the Packers to make him the No. 5 pick in the draft but he hasn't had any more impact than fellow all-Big Ten linebacker Abdul Hodge, a third-round selection.

    Of course, Hawk hasn't even been asked to make his first tackle in the National Football League. An eighth day of limited contact drills will give way to a semblance of the real thing Saturday night during the intrasquad scrimmage at Lambeau Field.

    "Any time you get a game-type atmosphere it helps, especially for a rookie like me," Hawk said Thursday. "I need to have that game-type experience."

    Part of the problem trying to evaluate Hawk is the hype associated with him. As the NFL's highest-drafted linebacker since LaVar Arrington went No. 2 in 2000, Hawk and impending greatness have become almost one and the same in the minds of some fans.

    But as practices stack up, Hawk has done little to distinguish himself as the starting linebacker on the weak side.

    "I think the guy's really done a good job," coach Mike McCarthy said. "He's shown toughness and his ability. But he's made rookie mistakes. He still is a rookie."

    As for Hodge, McCarthy said, "I like the way he's playing. He's very aggressive against the run. As far as running sideline-to-sideline, that's something he's going to have to work on."

    There's little doubt that Hawk's decision to marry his fiancée, Laura Quinn, in a civil ceremony 10 days ago might still be on his mind. Given the unexpected nature of the wedding, the couple undoubtedly had to do some long-distance explaining with family members who were caught completely off-guard.

    Then came contract negotiations. They were completed last Friday afternoon when Hawk agreed to a six-year, $37.5 million deal. Becoming an instant millionaire takes some getting used to as well.

    On the field, Hawk appears to be feeling his way through Week 1 of pro football in a defense that is much different from Ohio State's.

    "It's something that's pretty new so it takes a little longer to get comfortable with it," Hawk said. "I'm learning every day. Watching the older guys. Just listening to my coaches."

    Taking on the strong-side counter play in college football basically is the same as taking it on in the NFL. Because there hasn't been any live tackling, it's almost impossible even to begin judging how effective Hawk will be against the run.

    Even before drafting Hawk, linebackers coach Winston Moss indicated that the Packers were well aware that he would need extensive work in pass coverage. Ohio State played mostly zone whereas the Packers generally employ a matchup scheme in which defenders are assigned to a zone but have responsibility for a man once he declares himself in their area.

    "We played some man but we played more of a spot-drop zone defense most of the time," Hawk said. "That was kind of the backbone of our defense. At Ohio State, you'd sit 10, 12 yards taking away your zone and then react to the pass instead of man-turning with guys and running with them all over."

    Most first-year linebackers, including Hodge, must endure the trials and tribulations of NFL pass coverage before getting on the field. In Hawk's case, he is being asked to start as he learns.

    "I wouldn't say he's gotten exposed," McCarthy said. "But there's so much running and recognition for a young guy. It is challenging. It's not spot drops."

    The advantage Nick Barnett had entering the NFL in 2003 was his expertise in coverage. Although he moved from strong safety to linebacker after his freshman year, the Oregon State coaches continued using him extensively in coverage.

    "Man (coverage) was pretty easy for me but it's still a lot of work," Barnett said. "In the NFL you just don't have tight ends that are slow. And the zone match scheme here was totally different than in college."

    Thickly built and very strong, Hawk looks the part of a linebacker even though his height (6 feet 1 inches) was considered a slight negative by some scouts. As he thinks his way through situations, there have been precious few plays in which his outstanding speed has been noticeable.

    In any event, Hawk should at least be able to outrun some of the mistakes that he makes in coverage early on.

    "Everybody in this league is fast," defensive coordinator Bob Sanders said. "Hopefully, he won't be in position to have to use that speed. What we're trying to get is that he doesn't make those mistakes and get out of position. If he needs to get a head start, get a head start."

    Barnett, who has had a strong camp, seems entrenched as the lone linebacker in the 4-1 dime defense. He was there Thursday morning when the Packers practiced 2-minute plays. The coaches then surprisingly waved in Hodge with the No. 2 defense, replacing Barnett. Later, Hawk took over for Hodge. Unlike Hawk, Hodge played almost all man-to-man coverage at Iowa, assigned to a running back or the tight end. His job was to stuff the run, and he did it exceedingly well.

    "I'm definitely going to have to cover," Hodge said. "I want to learn techniques to my advantage so I won't have to worry about chasing them all over the field. There's a lot of veteran quarterbacks and veteran receivers that can expose you. It's something I have to work on."

    Hodge didn’t go higher than he did (third round, third pick) largely because of his pedestrian speed, borderline size and concerns about his ability to play in space.

    As long as Hodge remains at middle linebacker, and Sanders doesn't appear the least bit inclined to move him to the strong side as a challenger for Ben Taylor, he figures to back up Barnett, maybe perform in the goal-line defense and scuffle for playing time in the nickel defense.

    Camp is just a week old and already the Packers have an inkling that Hodge could start blowing people up when the rough stuff arrives.

    "He had a hell of a day (Wednesday)," McCarthy said. "He stoned the fullback a couple times. I think the kid's really picked it up."


    ---For all that talk of him being the "safest" pick in the draft and the most NFL ready I wouldn't have expected this. From the sounds of it just needs some work in pass coverage. This could mean that he is no longer a 3 down LB and Hodge could replace him in the nickel if he doesnt get it together. Only time will tell. When is the Scrimmage versus another team? that will be the true test for these young and new guys.

  • #2
    Sooo early yet.

    And didn't Hawk miss a lot of the offseason work b/c of some kind of classroom commitment at Ohio State? It sounds like the stuff he's struggling with is new technique being taught in limited-contact drills. He'll pick it up.

    We'll really see what kind of linebackers we have in Hawk and Hodge when they get into full contact work.

    If anything, this tells me more good things about Hodge than bad things about Hawk. Many people who should know are saying Hodge is a better 'backer than Greenway, who of course was a first-round pick.

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    • #3
      HAWK will be fine. Yes, it may take a few seasons but he will make an impact this season.

      GO PACKERS !
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      • #4
        Originally posted by woodbuck27
        HAWK will be fine. Yes, it may take a few seasons but he will make an impact this season.
        Woody, I think you should be "Yogi Rat". You are the Yogi Berra of this forum.

        It may take a few seasons, but Hawk will have an impact this season?
        "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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        • #5
          Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
          Originally posted by woodbuck27
          HAWK will be fine. Yes, it may take a few seasons but he will make an impact this season.
          Woody, I think you should be "Yogi Rat". You are the Yogi Berra of this forum.

          It may take a few seasons, but Hawk will have an impact this season?
          Definitely that sounds a bit like Yogi.

          I mean Harvey that he won't go to a PRO BOWL for maybe three seasons, but his presence (his style of play) to penetrate the oppositions backfield and pursue the ball carrier wide, will make OUR LBing position alot better this season.

          or impact it right away.

          HAWK flat out is a football player. I was amazed to see him on video and the speed and concentration with which he pursue the ball.
          ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
          ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
          ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
          ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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          • #6
            A week after the draft he went from great propect to "dumb" rookie. Really he is inexperienced and learning a new defense.

            He is a hard working player who has had a few distractions in the last 6 months.

            The best you can hope for with a rookie is to look "average". The benchmark is Barnett and Collins who looked like average players as rookies.

            Hawk is the poster child of Brett's remark about being the most talented team but a very inexperienced team.

            Hawk will get burned in pass coverage and will make some mistakes. He will take some bad angles because NFL players are so much faster.

            He will be learning every week and if for some reason the Packers have the same defensive coordinator for 2 consecutive years he will only get better next year. I think he will improve over the course of the season as we saw Collins progress last year.

            No one is as good as their press coverage or as bad as their press coverage.

            I encourage everyone to look to history and remember the crowd at Lambeau cheering encouragingly in 1994 when young #4 would throw the ball away rather than force it. Help the young guy don't hurt him with expectations that are too high.

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            • #7
              Packer fans are in unfamiliar ground with Hawk........not used to that kind of draft pick.

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              • #8
                And yet, right after this artile came out, Hawk had his first pick of camp. Our boy is growing up.
                "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MJZiggy
                  And yet, right after this artile came out, Hawk had his first pick of camp. Our boy is growing up.
                  And he needs to step it up. We didn't draft him at 5 to be a project. Great players rarely look marginal early on - at linebacker anyway. I'm normally a pretty patient fan, but drafting this high I had expectations for an immediate return on investment.

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                  • #10
                    It's so early to say. The kid has been in camp for not even 2 weeks yet. He missed OTA's and the 2nd mini camp because of classroom obligations.

                    You guys need to give him a break.

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                    • #11
                      Agreed. At least give him training camp to get his legs under him and learn what's expected. He will be in fine form for Bear hunting.
                      "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                      • #12
                        Did people expect him to come in and be the reincarnation of Lawrence Taylor or something? Of course he's gonna take time, but he'll be ready when season starts. Now if you excuse me, I've got a couple jocks to sniff.
                        "I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael Finley

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                        • #13
                          I'm not making any judgements untill there is live tackleing. Right now it's just guess work.
                          Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                          • #14
                            What I expected was to hear a lot of news about how awesome he was, kind of like the news about Jennings. The way scouts and people talked about him before the draft was that he was going to terrorize people with his blend of instints and speed. I'm not doubting that he is going to be great and DROY, I totally agree with that but I expected him to destroy people out there. And I thought that he was better in coverage but I guess that going from a Zone-run defense to a more Man-to-Man defense could take some time.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                              Originally posted by MJZiggy
                              And yet, right after this artile came out, Hawk had his first pick of camp. Our boy is growing up.
                              And he needs to step it up. We didn't draft him at 5 to be a project. Great players rarely look marginal early on - at linebacker anyway. I'm normally a pretty patient fan, but drafting this high I had expectations for an immediate return on investment.
                              Scott:

                              HAWK is all wide eyed right now and the hype has to be a little disconcerting.

                              Then the young lad - gets married. . . Uhhhh ??? That is tough on a house painter at that age, little less what AJ has to deal with in his profession, especially considering - the high expectations he may be placing on himself?

                              Give HAWK half a season and then see what he brings to us. This young man will flat out - bust his ass to help us win.

                              I don't believe that. I know that from all he brings to us. HAWK will not bust.

                              He and Abdul Hodge are going to put smiles on OUR faces for some time, and of course, in the beginning of their career's as Packers - some wrinkles on OUR brows.

                              They are in the NFL.
                              ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
                              ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
                              ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
                              ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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