TT and the Ruination of the Packers

[cheesner]

TT has screwed up and missed out on improving the run game by adding Marshawn Lynch. He also F'd the pooch by missing out on Randy Moss a 2nd time.

I am amazed at the fan base and a few of the Packer beat writers who are convinced TT is failing the Packers in the two aforementioned situations. These are the same pundits who complained that TT messed up by (somewhat chronologically):

1. Drafted Aaron Rodgers after more than 20 teams passed him up. He was a Tedford QB with little hope of succeeding in the NFL.

2. He drafted Nick 'WHO!' Collins in the 2nd round. One draft publication had him as the 30th ranked DB in the draft. Most, didn't have him listed. TT has a huge ego and reaches for players to show everyone how smart he is.

3. He drafted Greg Jennings after trading down in the 2nd round instead of taking the much better Chad Jackson. TT, by trading down, is going after quantity rather than quality.

4. TT passed on Randy Moss. Randy came out and said he did not want to play for the Packers. Randy did not want to play for the raiders and was jogging his routes and changing his routes because 'field didn't look too good over there'. Would he have been as successful in GB as he was in NE? Doubtful. Besides TT had a deal in place, Al Davis took a better deal without letting TT know.

5. TT drafts Justin Harrell reaching way too soon on an injury prone players. Okay. Criticism is justified here. It was a bad pick.

6.TT trades up and pays way too much for a LB Matthews.

7. Continuously 'TT doesn't sign player 'X'. Truthfully, many of these players that get mentioned every FA season - do next to nothing for their new teams. For every Julius Peppers there are a dozen Haynesworths, Adailius Thomas's, Bernard Berrians, Lavaar Arrington, etc etc.


Just the big picture.

The Packers are a legitamite SB contending team and that doesn't happen by coincidence or accident. It was a very deliberately planned and carefully executed process of building this team up. Is this team perfect? Of course not, but it is as close to perfect or better than any other team in the NFL. Seriously, there are maybe 5 teams in the NFL that have a decent chance at the SB. And that is all to TT's credit.

I will be the first to admit he has made mistakes. A certain punter, lack of OT depth, etc, but that is the nature of the beast. But overall, TT has done an amazing job of assembling a lot of young talent that should carry the Packers to many victories this coming decade.

So lets give him a chance to see how his moves or non-moves pan out.

[sheepshead]

I've read all the TT bashing I ever want to read. Its comical sometimes. (he was blamed for the Bear game penalties on here) I usually have to scroll by it.

[cheesner]

5a. Trades away malcontent BF and expects a injury prone 'system' QB to be able to play well.



Please add some if you like.


Just trying to say, hey, TT seems to know what he is doing. No need to get alarmed at any lack of moves at this time. TT has shown to be right more than he is wrong.

[ND72]

Never signs any good big name free agents....Well, except Charles Woodson, Ryan Pickett...even a Brandon Chillar, and I'm not real sure if Tramon Williams was a Sherman find, or a Thompson find.

[Smidgeon]

The venom I've been reading lately after the Lynch trade to Seattle is ridiculous. Beat writers (not scouts, not GMs) are writing that he "should have traded this much," "should have offered this player," etc.

And the venom here has been off the charts in the last couple days. The team is 3-1 with a manageable schedule for the next few games. If they can get their offense on track without losing too many games, they'll be primed for a deep playoff run. This team isn't 0-4 or 1-3 or even 1-2. But now people are afraid of the Vikings because they picked up a talented WR? And that's TT's fault? <sigh>

Not to mention that it's TT's fault that there was no starting calibur RB behind Grant. <double sigh>

[Cheesehead Craig]

Thanks Smidgeon.

I'm done with this "sky is falling" crap now that the Vikes got Moss.

In case you all forgot, we got a pretty damn good offense too.

[ND72]

The venom I've been reading lately after the Lynch trade to Seattle is ridiculous. Beat writers (not scouts, not GMs) are writing that he "should have traded this much," "should have offered this player," etc.

And the venom here has been off the charts in the last couple days. The team is 3-1 with a manageable schedule for the next few games. If they can get their offense on track without losing too many games, they'll be primed for a deep playoff run. This team isn't 0-4 or 1-3 or even 1-2. But now people are afraid of the Vikings because they picked up a talented WR? And that's TT's fault? <sigh>

Not to mention that it's TT's fault that there was no starting calibur RB behind Grant. <double sigh>

We have a chance to be 7-1, 6-2, or maybe at worse 5-3 going into November IMO...time for us to start thinking that way and stop worrying about everyone else. There is nothing that says Moss is going to make Minny so much better...you never know how that will work, it could backfire.

[sheepshead]

The Redskins have a shit run and pass defense. Lets see if this game helps MM right this ship. I was very happy about the lack of penalties against the Lions.

correction: shit pass D mediocre Run D

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

TT is a good GM. No doubt about it. Is he perfect? No. But overall he is really good. But as I fan I am allowed to question his decisions and talk about them. That is the point of a Forum. I think TT should have traded for Lynch b/c I think it would have been a good move.

Just like I don't see the need for people to go on rant and bash every move TT has ever made when they disagree with something he has done, I don't think it is necessary to go over all his good moves to prove that his one wasn't a bad one.

He is not perfect and makes mistakes just like everyone else. Just b/c he has made a lot of good decisions doesn't mean this one was.

[imscott72]

Sounds like Woodson commented on the Lynch situation today on Jim Rome and said "the trade would have been logical". Bedard said other players told him off the record too that they're disappointed the trade wasn't made.

[dissident94]

While Thompson does really well retooling a team. He builds depth and his teams compete.

But I am not sure his teams will ever get over the hump and be a dominate team. While he has signed a few really good FA. He seems to be stuck in the retooling mode forever.

While he has moved up in the draft. He hasn't gone for it and made the big time move to put the team over the top which is needed at times.

Think about the early 90s. Would Thompson have signed Reggie white. Maybe. What about Sean Jones, Keith Jackson, Andre Rison etc...

These other moves made Green bay from a contender to a champion.

We may always be contenders, but does he have it in him to make this team into a champion?

[red]

we need to survive and win the next 2 weeks. then we get some nice talent back

harris and bigby make the secondary much better. and starks has a chance to be a damn good back if he can stay healthy

however wins are going to be very tough to come by after week 6, meanwhile the queens will have a much easier schedule over that period.

with or without moss, if minnie ever "clicks" they're going to be tough to beat

[woodbuck27]

Sounds like Woodson commented on the Lynch situation today on Jim Rome and said "the trade would have been logical". Bedard said other players told him off the record too that they're disappointed the trade wasn't made.

If TT wanted Marshawn Lynch? That's the first question we need to ask ourselves.

Early in that AJ Hawk to Buffalo RUMOR. WE read about all sorts of trade scenarios:

a) AJ Hawk srtraight up for M. Lynch wasn't going down. Reasons can be cited for that improbable transaction.

b) TE and a secondary player fr. us for Lynch. Maybe too steep for TT?

c) or one of those roster players and say a 5th or a 6th, too may have been over the top for TT?

The bottom line is that he thinks inside 'his own box'. Not in terms of how we feel and think.

Having written that. Wouldn't it be justified in OUR running back situation to grab Marshawn Lynch for a 3rd too.? A moot question as TT's the GM not any of us. Again TT may not have liked Lynch or placed him high in terms of the value he desired. Maybe the character issues of Lynch's past turned TT away? Who in this place knows exactly how he thinks or ticks?

Noone! So we 'just wait. WE just hope or have faith in him.

TT is OUR Packer Nation GOD!

GO TT GO !!

[cheesner]

TT is a good GM. No doubt about it. Is he perfect? No. But overall he is really good. But as I fan I am allowed to question his decisions and talk about them. That is the point of a Forum. I think TT should have traded for Lynch b/c I think it would have been a good move.

Just like I don't see the need for people to go on rant and bash every move TT has ever made when they disagree with something he has done, I don't think it is necessary to go over all his good moves to prove that his one wasn't a bad one.

He is not perfect and makes mistakes just like everyone else. Just b/c he has made a lot of good decisions doesn't mean this one was.

Personally, I wanted TT to bring in Lynch or Williams. But my point was that TT has been right more times than not when it comes to a controversial move. I wasn't trying to pick on the anti-TT crowd, but to encourage all Packer fans that hey, we may not agree with the details, but the big picture is looking mighty sweet.

And to say that TT is afraid to make the big move to put us over the top is very premature. It has taken 5 years but we are now, IMHO, an elite team who is a serious contender for the SB. Most teams can't say that including these teams that make the big moves. Is washington a better team with Haynesworth? I don't think so. He does well on the field but the entire team is suffering because of the personality clash. And that has an effect in the win/loss column more than his ability to collapse a pocket.

As far as TT not signing Reggie, he was working for Wolf at the time and was a strong proponent for the move.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Very nice post dissident. I want to see him a little more aggressive also. It is not his fault Grant was injured and it is certainly was not his fault for not having two starting caliber running backs to start the season. Having one is a good job by him.
But if it is possible to get a starting running back for a 4th and a 6th why not? Even a 3rd and a 6th why not? He drafted Starks in the 6th who is 24 all ready and Lynch is only 24 now. Consider him a rookie you are drafting in the 3rd round. Just a couple years ago he wanted him in the 1st round. I would have no problem if he saw him play and decided he was wrong in 2007 and that Lynch is really not that good of a player, but the fact that he is still interested in him and tired to trade for him shows that he thinks the guy can play. So why not go and get him. Idnk about most people, but getting good players for low draft picks seems like a good idea to me.