OFFICIAL FAVRE SEXT SCANDAL ROCKS SPORTS WORLD

[woodbuck27]

All this dwelling on the negative nanny Favre and Moss stuff clearly has the Karma gods pissed; we're hosed

That is the BEST analysis here at Packerrats for the past week. Congratulations Packer fan.

Now to keep that in some perspective. It has been a week of rather to really lousy and incompetent analysis on a lot of posters part. I believe we all rebound when the head search's out the heart and dash's the emotions as being inferior.

That's simply put just my opinion mind you but all the same full kudos to YOU B.

Your always too in my view B. Come back more often as you may man. I miss your strengths.

PACKERS!

[3irty1]

The way you say "Scott" at the end of every sentence makes you sound crazy.

I made some refreshments, Dan.
Would you like some refreshments,
Dan? I'll be right back,
Daaaan!!

[woodbuck27]

If Favre wants to be so stupid as to try to cheat on his wife by sending cockshots of himself (or is it "crocshots"?) that are nearly bound to get out, well, so be it. Don't try to be all high and mighty about it, NFL. He's not breaking any laws and he's not wcheating the game by using steroids.

True, unless it actually did cross the line into harassment. Somehow, I doubt it. Favre is a pretty likable guy in person. I'm betting there are lots of young ladies who like his attentions. Doesn't make him much less slimy, but there may be nothing much here other than unsavory infidelity.

What's there mraynrand is simply sensationalism and today some people are so soaked in it they get to actually swollowing the crap and into their emotions and forget to use their heads. Use some decent analysis and get to straight up fairness and allow the TRUTH to surface as we must believe it will.

Re: How I see Brett Favre mraynrand:

Favre is far from being an idiot. If I'm wrong and he actually was the chump in that fricken video I will be the mot unimpressed and totally disappointed person at Packerrats and one of the most let down Packer fans that ever admired Brett Favre.

I went to bed this past Thursday night in real pain over what transpired here. I fought my fight as best I was able to then but I'm stronger and certainly more focused on the wholed stinking affair and know that it will lead nowhere in terms of damage to Favre except for the pain he feels for his loved one's. People here didn't seem to give a lick about that. Tyhe real victims they are in this sordid mess.

I'm asking myself the last day or so. What would I do if I was Favre? How would I handle this legally? Would I go there.?

Favre is like this. He'll get to who he is and in terms of himself not care what NFL fans or others thinkm or say. He knows who he is. The problem for him lies in damage not to his reputation but to his wife and childrennand his close Family members.

I went to PFT.CommThursday night and I invite you to do the same and read the comments by those that are as I am and are disgusted with posters that go to this issue with a lurid response mraynrand. I wonder if they realize just how badly they damage themselves? Do they not realize that the karma falls on them?

Poo Poo that karma thing as they may I hold how we act and behave as having a universal cosmic effect on our lives as a group or as an individual.

Think or do bad. Get back bad.

Posters here at Packerats should put their peoper thinking caps on. Get to only one place. Recover Packerrats as a class act forum that is dominated by posters that act right in terms of their level of higher thinking and have a strong collective intelligence. ASAP.

WE can grow from an error. We can suck it up and let this CRAP go pronto. Leave the issue up to those that have to deal with it in a proper context.

I want to see us get there and 'just there ' as a collective mraynrand and not see any member suffer for whatever part he/she may have playeed in any emotional misjudgement. Am I seeming the idealist?

I simply believe we deserve as a forum to grow from where we went thursday. Accept that no matter what we believ RE; Favre and guilt or not . It's moot as The NFL will decide if there are to be repurcussions detrimentle to Favre based in it's findings upon a fair review.

To be a boo bird often means to exercise extreme emotion and extreme prejudice that's not actually fact based. It often means being clouded in judgement and emotional reactions that are detrimentle to oneself when all is said and done with as a personal final anaysis.

Is there anyone here that reads this that could adamently disagree with this post? Is this post not all about fairness and healing?

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

He should be suspended if Big Ben was. I have known for a long time that Favre was like this as all of us did who followed his career...but before he was better at being discrete.

And just a thought, think maybe the NFL is a little ticked about the Vikings circumventing them with the Williams Cheaters? This would be a way to get back at the team...

That will be up to the NFL committee appointed to investigate and deem his guilt or not. As mere fans why can you 'in terms of your humanity'deem him guilty based on the story as we already know it? As a human being are you perfect? Do you live, have you lived a perfect moral and ethical life? Can you claim that in YOU Tony Oday?

I can't. I understand as humans we error. In that respect, I don't judge any man as guilty before any formal hearing of the facts.

If Favre is deemed guilty he needs to be punished. That won't come to pass as it is today. Thus noone is correct till that TRUTH of his actual guilt is determined Packer fan.

Just some support for you Re: basic decency in terms of Favre's rights Tony Oday.

Tony. Enjoy Packers @ Redskins today on FOX if you can get that game on your TV.

GO PACKERS!

BIG BEN WAS NEVER PROVEN GUILTY!!!

Does anyone NOT see this? WTF...There is PROOF that Favre did this...

I get NFL Ticket I get all the games.

PROOF that that was Favre in that video or that wasn't proof of Favre in that video. I believe that it will come down to doubt 'at the worst' Tony Oday, and therefore Favre will be in the clear. Deemed innoscent.

I actually didn't see the Packers in Washington Tony Oday. The network shifted to the Giants @ Texans game. I was looking forward to seeing how our 'D' performed with all the adversity we're now struck with.

GO PACK GO!

[woodbuck27]

The way you say "Scott" at the end of every sentence makes you sound crazy.

I made some refreshments, Dan.
Would you like some refreshments,
Dan? I'll be right back,
Daaaan!!

I'm far from crazy 3irty1. I'm totally sane man.

I appreciate the concern though.

PACKERS!

[Tarlam!]

Whether some posters like it or not, there are Packers Fans that wish Favre evry failure in the world and are dlighted to see this scandal become front page news, because it distracts from the rival team. Some posters hope he will be suspended, so every time his record of consecutive starts is ever mentioned, there can be the addendum: ended by a sex scandal. Some posters want his legacy to be so damaged by this that he isn't even a first round ballot HOFer.

I am one of those posters. I view this as an early birthday present. I will set my alarm to 2 a.m. Tuesady morning, so I can witness from the comfort of my couch on my 76" screen the reception Favre receives in New Jersey. I will be scanning the posters that fans have been creative with.

He's a pro and can probably block it out and the Vikes might win. I hope not, but hey, we'll see.

If Favre is innocent, he had a perfect opportunity to clear the record immediately earlier in the year, but also last Thursday during his presser. He did neither, so, he has caused Deanna and the girls a lot of humiliation, public humiliation already. What wholesome man does such a thing?

[woodbuck27]

If Favre wants to be so stupid as to try to cheat on his wife by sending cockshots of himself (or is it "crocshots"?) that are nearly bound to get out, well, so be it. Don't try to be all high and mighty about it, NFL. He's not breaking any laws and he's not wcheating the game by using steroids.

True, unless it actually did cross the line into harassment. Somehow, I doubt it. Favre is a pretty likable guy in person. I'm betting there are lots of young ladies who like his attentions. Doesn't make him much less slimy, but there may be nothing much here other than unsavory infidelity.

BUT YOU ALL EVISCERATED BIG BEN FOR CONSENSUAL SEX!!!

That is what bugs me about this whole thing...I dont care if he is trying to pimp his old balls out to smoking hot ladies that is a right in the Bill of Rights of old Millionaires! HOT YOU LADIES...but treat everyone the same.

I don't think I posted anything about BR. BUT wasn't there some controversy about whether it was consensual?

FYI, In our society, there are still some who find whoring objectionable.

Yes! That BIG GUY mentioned alot in the BIBLE.

[3irty1]

Woody, we all get your point. That video they posted isn't enough on its own to prove anything. With enough time and effort I could have made that video and I've never spoken with Favre in my life.

The video is not proof but getting the smoking gun phone records is so trivial that you've got seriously doubt how any website would make that video if none of it could be verified by the NFL. Its really a matter of seeing if the number that sent the pictures and left the voice mails is known to be Favre's phone. We're all thrilled because the NFL is going to bust him easily if it really happened which it probably did. Its not exactly far fetched just because you want it to be.

Ok so he probably did it, but will he get in any real trouble? Why would the NFL investigate if there weren't going to be consequences? The fact that the women involved were harassed at work makes it likely as well. Even if he's not punished by the NFL I'll still revel in the bad press he's getting. Karma be damned, that shits not real although the fact that this is all happening to Favre may suggest otherwise. Do I feel bad for his family? Yeah, but not because people are slandering their father and husband--because it looks like their father and husband is a sleezeball.

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck, I actually found this statement of yours quite admirable.

It's not who's right man. It's about what's right. It's about ideals and comportment. It's about growth and decisions made to support HIGHER thinking and what's best not what's worse.

But then you come back with this one.

in that scenario. Favre the accused trumps over her. That is just life. The way life is packerbacker1234.

How can these two statements be reconciled? If it really is about what is right, is it right that Favre should triumph due to greater recognition?

For someone who loves the TRUTH, shouldn't there be some interest on your part to discern both fact and truth from this event?

Otherwise, I am tempted to tell people who find this kind of topic and coverage lamentable that Scott Campbell and Deadspin are just life. And that is the way life is.

Hellobmax:

I responded to this Sunday AM, but somehow that post failed to go through. It ended up in the nether land I expect. Just gone. I'll try again.

Re: the following partial quote by yours truly. I'll elaborate:

" in that scenario. Favre the accused trumps over her. That is just life. The way life is packerbacker1234. " woodbuck27

Life in terms of how one is deemed guilty or not and that 'in terms' related to 'the TRUTH' of all available information that can be used to access guilt or not.

I'm referring to the evidence from that video that in all fairness I felt no personal need to view pbmax. The NFL will investigate this story/matter as Favre is no different in terms of status as an NFL rookie.If upon looking at all the hard evidence or material evidence it's not conclusive that the person in that video or any pic's of said person purported to be Favre leads to no creedance that 'in fact' that is Favre what's left?

pbmax.

If this Lady comes right out with her complaint or civil suit and she cannot expand on that vieo or offer more concrete proof of Favre and harassinbg her or trying to date her or whatever her.

Then and if Favre denies he ever went there what's left but a she said-he said and that's deemed an fraw in terms of Favre's guilt as it would be a draw in terms of it was YOU or I accused Vs the plaintiff or accusers word Vs yours or mine and again it's a zero.

The only thing that remains are the same people that are so quick to find against Favre and in terms of Favre it would be a 'so what'. Favre is on record as saying that, he gave up a long time ago trying to please all of the fans all of the time . Gave up trying to please some of the fans some of the time , as well or that he no longer allows fan reaction to get under his skin or lives and works to please them.

Like you and I.

Favre has to live for himself and answer to himself in terms of all behaviours and all actions. That is a position that is best in terms of focus and positive results based on goals or objectives.


" For someone who loves the TRUTH, shouldn't there be some interest on your part to discern both fact and truth from this event? " pbmax

NO ! Of course NOT.

I have read enough accounts fr. those that saw that video to determine that the evidence that can be attributed to identifying the man in that video as Favre willl not be enough to positively identify that man as Bret Favre. Most specifically many say that mans hands just simply are NOT Favre's hands.

If the hands won't fit then we must not convict. I'm sure lawyers or committee apointed reviewers of this cases hard evidence will see more that says that's not Favre than that says that is Favre. Maybe the hands not being Favre's will toss this issue away as that's enough. I will find out someday I'm sure. Guilty or innoscent?

My position is to simply leave it all up to those appoinmted to investigate. To remain true to that and not get all emotional and thus risk error in judgement and harm anyone over this 'just a story' to me. I am powerless as a fan to decide guilt or not, or judge Favre as guilty when more informed people's decision will prevail pbmax.

This thread exists and goes on because the Owner of Packerrats see's merit in allowing it. His decision is not my concern once that decision leads to the thread or this thread.

I cannot oppose that decision. It's too late for that pbmax as it's alive here . W're posting in it. Maybe we'll grow in the future at least partially from it as we accept this thread as a vauable tool to growing together here for the right not wrong reasons pbmax

I have no problem with and certainly support differences in posters or people in terms of differences.

I do have a problem with dominance, control and hatred and stances of presummed guilt or allutions to punishments when too often such rhetoric is just silly and flaming.

Am I the last man standing pbmax, that desires proper respect as concerns this matter and respect for all principle parties involved and I mean not just Brett Favre? As a collective at Packerrats. Don't we stand for respect for both 'the guilty or the innoscent? Respect for this TRUTH and IDEAL:

Any person is to be deemed inoscent until evidence convicts or proves otherwise. Why the quick rush to find Favre guilty and propose a punishment (s) when it's not our jurisdiction?

GO PACKERS!

[Gunakor]

But Woody, you've been expressing your opinion as truth. As in, you are 100% certain of the truth, and the truth is Favre is innocent. But we don't know that to be truth. We don't know that to be lies, either.

What pbmax is suggesting is simply that you, being a man of truth, should be open to the possibility that your opinion in the matter may not in fact be truth at all. Maybe it is, we'll see.

But it's not okay to preach about the truth when you won't be bothered to look into the matter to discern the truth. It's not truth just because it's what you'd like to believe.

I'm referring to the evidence from that video that in all fairness I felt no personal need to view pbmax.

If you won't view the evidence, how would you have any idea of the truth? Maybe the truth lies within that evidence you feel no need to examine.

You are looking at this as a matter of law. Innocent until proven guilty. I feel the same way as a matter of law. But this isn't a matter of law just yet Woody. At this time it's a matter of public opinion. It's in the court of public opinion that Favre is being tried right now.

Evidence has been presented in this case, whether you choose to view it or not. Others have, and their opinions have been swayed by said evidence. To many, Favre is guilty. To you, Favre is innocent. That's how this court works. It's the only court in which Favre is being tried right now, and everyone is a judge. Some of us will be wrong, some of us will be right. So how about allowing for the possibility that Favre just might be guilty before saying that all of us who have already convicted him in OUR court are full of it.

[Pugger]

NFL will suspend him...probably 2 games. This isn't quite on the level of forcing yourself on a drunk girl in the bathroom of a backwoods bar while your beefy bodyguards stand watch.

with internet photos and the like...minn might cut him. this probably breaks some morals clause in his contract. save them a ton of money.

They just traded for Moss...they aren't going to cut him. Are you crazy?

They will just be pissed to know that all it would've taken to get him into camp on time was a few dumb brunette bimbos who like 40 year old shuttlecock.

Somehow I doubt she was enamored with his 40 year old johnson...

[mraynrand]

NFL will suspend him...probably 2 games. This isn't quite on the level of forcing yourself on a drunk girl in the bathroom of a backwoods bar while your beefy bodyguards stand watch.

with internet photos and the like...minn might cut him. this probably breaks some morals clause in his contract. save them a ton of money.

They just traded for Moss...they aren't going to cut him. Are you crazy?

They will just be pissed to know that all it would've taken to get him into camp on time was a few dumb brunette bimbos who like 40 year old shuttlecock.

Somehow I doubt she was enamored with his 40 year old johnson...

Wouldja believe...a fifty year-old johnson?

[MJZiggy]

But Woody, you've been expressing your opinion as truth. As in, you are 100% certain of the truth, and the truth is Favre is innocent. But we don't know that to be truth. We don't know that to be lies, either.

What pbmax is suggesting is simply that you, being a man of truth, should be open to the possibility that your opinion in the matter may not in fact be truth at all. Maybe it is, we'll see.

But it's not okay to preach about the truth when you won't be bothered to look into the matter to discern the truth. It's not truth just because it's what you'd like to believe.

I'm referring to the evidence from that video that in all fairness I felt no personal need to view pbmax.

If you won't view the evidence, how would you have any idea of the truth? Maybe the truth lies within that evidence you feel no need to examine.

You are looking at this as a matter of law. Innocent until proven guilty. I feel the same way as a matter of law. But this isn't a matter of law just yet Woody. At this time it's a matter of public opinion. It's in the court of public opinion that Favre is being tried right now.

Evidence has been presented in this case, whether you choose to view it or not. Others have, and their opinions have been swayed by said evidence. To many, Favre is guilty. To you, Favre is innocent. That's how this court works. It's the only court in which Favre is being tried right now, and everyone is a judge. Some of us will be wrong, some of us will be right. So how about allowing for the possibility that Favre just might be guilty before saying that all of us who have already convicted him in OUR court are full of it.

Actually, I don't know that you can fairly determine whether Favre is innocent or guilty either way, even in the court of public opinion without bothering to look at the evidence--and you certainly cannot profess to others what the truth is. Without looking at the evidence, what you're spouting is just wishes and wannabes. There's a voice on that video that sounds an awful lot like Favre and what that voice says clearly indicates that the advances of the person who's speaking had been rebuffed. Woodbuck has no business telling anyone they're full of it until he sees the same evidence they have. The people who've watched that video are speaking from a position of having more information than Woodbuck does. So, ok, Woody. Go ahead and attack me like you always do when I post something you don't like. By the way, Miss Sterger does NOT have to press charges or bring suit for the NFL to find a violation in the personal conduct code. She has agreed to assist in the NFL's investigation. By the way, the public opinion on the metro after the game last night is that Favre is a total creeper.

[Tarlam!]

Not too certain, Zig. If no one is complaing/litigating, then it's no foul, no harm, except to Favre himself and family and maybe team, and that's already severe enough. It's an easy out for Goodell to say the investigation is concluded, but there haven't been any formal complaints and leave it at that.

So far, his misconduct policy has always been used againt players where 3rd parties have been actively pursuing compensation or have broken some law. That's not the case here so far.

Now, if the investigation proves he is guilty and one of the 3rd parties strives for a civil lawsuit based on the findings, Goodell must react with the accustomed toughness, lest he be accused of playing Favre-itism.

Maybe I'm off base here, but that's my current thinking.

I hope they conclude he violated his position and a sexual harrassment occured, although, I'm not sure how that works. He was not in a position to fire anybody, despite his position and stature, so, what leverage did he have to manipulate any of the 3rd parties?

I think he's a scumbag, if for no other reason than the public humiliation his family has to go through. If he is truly innocent, IMHO, all he needed to say was "it never happened". He has had ample opportunity and hasn't. He could also take the high road and say "my lawyers have advised me not to discuss the matter". Then, in my court of public opinion, he'd be innocent until proven guilty. He hasn't offered any defense at all. That to me reeks of a smoking gun.

[pbmax]

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Life in terms of how one is deemed guilty or not and that 'in terms' related to 'the TRUTH' of all available information that can be used to access guilt or not.

I'm referring to the evidence from that video that in all fairness I felt no personal need to view pbmax. The NFL will investigate this story/matter as Favre is no different in terms of status as an NFL rookie.If upon looking at all the hard evidence or material evidence it's not conclusive that the person in that video or any pic's of said person purported to be Favre leads to no creedance that 'in fact' that is Favre what's left?

pbmax.

If this Lady comes right out with her complaint or civil suit and she cannot expand on that vieo or offer more concrete proof of Favre and harassinbg her or trying to date her or whatever her.

Then and if Favre denies he ever went there what's left but a she said-he said and that's deemed an fraw in terms of Favre's guilt as it would be a draw in terms of it was YOU or I accused Vs the plaintiff or accusers word Vs yours or mine and again it's a zero.

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I have read enough accounts fr. those that saw that video to determine that the evidence that can be attributed to identifying the man in that video as Favre willl not be enough to positively identify that man as Bret Favre. Most specifically many say that mans hands just simply are NOT Favre's hands.

If the hands won't fit then we must not convict. I'm sure lawyers or committee apointed reviewers of this cases hard evidence will see more that says that's not Favre than that says that is Favre.

You may be selectively reading accounts of the video. The phone number from which the calls, texts and photos were sent is known. And the watch in one of the photos is the same Brett wore at his Packer retirement press conference. And there are intermediaries involved who can provide third party confirmation of attempts to contact the women. An examination of the hands is low on the list of available evidence. There are also accounts from friends of the women that she contemporaneously reported the events to them.

An investigation into the event should remain even-handed and impartial. But reasonable minds can find evidence to support the charge. And I find your assertion that you are SURE investigators will find more evidence to clear Favre than to implicate him is very premature.