OFFICIAL FAVRE SEXT SCANDAL ROCKS SPORTS WORLD

[woodbuck27]

But Woody, you've been expressing your opinion as truth. As in, you are 100% certain of the truth, and the truth is Favre is innocent. But we don't know that to be truth. We don't know that to be lies, either.

What pbmax is suggesting is simply that you, being a man of truth, should be open to the possibility that your opinion in the matter may not in fact be truth at all. Maybe it is, we'll see.

But it's not okay to preach about the truth when you won't be bothered to look into the matter to discern the truth. It's not truth just because it's what you'd like to believe.

I'm referring to the evidence from that video that in all fairness I felt no personal need to view pbmax.

If you won't view the evidence, how would you have any idea of the truth? Maybe the truth lies within that evidence you feel no need to examine.

You are looking at this as a matter of law. Innocent until proven guilty. I feel the same way as a matter of law. But this isn't a matter of law just yet Woody. At this time it's a matter of public opinion. It's in the court of public opinion that Favre is being tried right now.

Evidence has been presented in this case, whether you choose to view it or not. Others have, and their opinions have been swayed by said evidence. To many, Favre is guilty. To you, Favre is innocent. That's how this court works. It's the only court in which Favre is being tried right now, and everyone is a judge. Some of us will be wrong, some of us will be right. So how about allowing for the possibility that Favre just might be guilty before saying that all of us who have already convicted him in OUR court are full of it.

I'm not into viewing such evidence Gunakor. I'm not a gossip type. I'm removed from needing titillation and sensationalism to enter my life. I'm a Christian Gunakor. It's not my place as ' just a fan ', to have to view smut. I choose that as my free will choice and believe that's certainly for me... best. I trust you'll understand me even if that disagree's with your position.

I don't have to do any viewing when I can read here and elsewhere, about content and reaction to such, given the claims that do nothing to me to make any judgement.

Gunokar. We agree that Favre is 'in fact' being tried in the court of public opinion and he's ' in fact ' either guilty or innoscent of charges against him. I'm raised and live as a fair person. It's obvious to me that I'm far removed in my personality and personal standards from certain posters at Packerrats. I'm not better or superior but maybe simply more fortunate that some in terms related to my needs to express overall goodwill and positive self esteem. I am only for what's fair and obviously a course of PEACE and distinct and decent harmony.

As a Christian. I choose a more positive way than ' to hate'. I choose understanding and mannerly communication overall. I'm human and I sometimes get pissed and make error and I make no excuse for those times.

I try to learn from those errors. To make a solid contribution overall to Packerrats. In terms related to some posters here that I certainly disagree with or totlly oppose. I try to achieve at least a compromise that works best for the general population of the society I choose to exist in and contribute to Gonokor.

As a member of Packerrats I stand for a better way then to choose **
' hatred ' as an expression related with any criticisms of any person. In specific terms, directly related to a man that I've admired and maintain made such a great contribution to the NFL team we support. The Green Bay Packers. A man that tried to be a great Packer and in many ways succeeded. Brett Favre.

To Packerrats:

I sincerely believe that:

** Hatred is a negative and dangerous emotion that has throughout history, inspired obsessions with the consequence of desruction and damage to people that are different from the haters. Haters that have misused their power. Hatred only leads to obsessions, that border on or become the highest levels of evil, if that hatred is left unchecked.

The negative consequences any person familiar with history is aware of, Gunakor.

Hatred cannot be ignored. It certainly cannot be laughed at and must never be condoned or admired as an emotion that's commendable. It must be strongly opposed by anyone that refuses to hate; that has a way that's more even and not at all controlling or dominant.

It's IMO, a too strong emotion that must be tempered by any person. If it's influence coupled with obsessin and any manner of power isn't curbed or removed in the general context of it's use. All members of such a society are harmed. That emotion (hatred) starts small and as any society allows for it to leak in, it will flourish or grow to be that emotion that will, over time, dominate any society destructively.

Packerrats is such a society Gunokar. It's over the top too evident that some posters here actually imagine it's OK to express hate (hatred) and to use such emotion in their agenda (s). Such people are sick individuals that know no better or are ignorant sometimes until they manage to run agendas that secure their needs and that often means to crush those innoscent of hate.

Packerats and Gunokar:

I object to an outright admission of that emotion (hatred) as a driving force behind any persons agenda (s). Such emotion gets to 'in my face' and I rebel against that. I never have nor will run away fron the challenge to defeat it. I stand in for 'the right way' or fight to stop it before it's too late and there is suffering for anyone, and some to many. These haters have hurt posters here and in the past. They are the same people that hate and others actually migrste to them. Their power grows slowly as another and yet another joins their silly /sick club. Hate inspired groups that are composed of posters that feed on themselves to nourish their power of hate.

It's a progressive negative emotion that feeds on itself everyone at Packerrats. I address thsi to all here including and moreso those that hate. I believe those haters expose themselves as that need of power comes from their overall weakness.

It creeps into a society and will dominate unless more mild mannered folk stand up and be counted against it. I am such a person to stand against hate (Hatred). I do so as a course in my life that realizes such emotion reflects evil. By the way such people can be very charming.

I'm not charming. I am honest. I am forthright . I am strong. I am perseverant in my first agenda here atbPackerrats to help protect the positive integrity of this Packer home and NFL fan site against haters and their bent for destructive agenda (s) that is driven to manipulate 'YOU' and monopolize Packerats to persevere in their self serving needs.

They are so easily exposed , So easily seen here Packerrats. They hate.

That fact cannot be ignored by the membership here as a whole. If it's ignored the overwelming and obvious negative result is easily predicted as destruction in terms of those that oppose haters. It starts a a small seed and grows and grows to meet it's own purpose. Enevitable and total ruination for the general population exposed to that hatred.

My position Re: Brett Favre is based on two things Gunakor:

a)Today he's under investigation by the NFL Rules and Personal Conduct Committee. Today. He's innoscent of the charges Vs him; and that as a matter of basic and decent respect for that man's dignity and reputation. Moreso, the dignity that his immediate family ( wife and children) and family overall deserves from all people.

b) I especially stand in that regard, in terms of my association with Packerrats and members here that I've come to associate with and learn about. Deal with in terms from real respect, learning positively and appreciation of them as decent and positive overall forward minded posters.

Then there's the flip side. Those posters here at Packerrats thatbI must oppose to exercise myself the best I can to adamently disrespect and oppose 'the haters' and selfish posters that manage to suvive here and make Packerats a place that people not strong enough to deal with run away from.

These posters are in no uncertain terms...bullies. They enjoy themselves and their sick ways. They support one another in ignorance or somehow assist one another to achieve agenda's with a common thread of hatred as their core emotion.

I've observed thes posters here and since spring of 2005 or going back to JSO's Green Bay Packer forum. Their easyy to spot. They attack anyone that ever stands opposed to any one of them. Watch how they flock together when any one of themis opposed. They have their own club abd they become most powerful in themselves when it's easiest for them to hate.

GO PACK GO!

[woodbuck27]

One thing about Favre is he's always been brutally honest. I credit his old man for that. If Brett did this he won't lie about it.

Disagree wholeheartedly with this. Brett Favre has been lying to his wife and family for years. You don't think he lies to the public for his own benefit? He's been lying and manipulating his way through the NFL for the last three years at least.

Favre wants nothing more than for this to go away with the least amount of damage possible. The only reason he's not lying about it is making a big deal out of it by denying the accusations in the face of irrefutable evidence and multiple eyewitnesses (including a pissed off husband) in the middle of an NFL investigation would only do the opposite.

It's quite possible there are many, many more skeletons he'd prefer to keep in the closet here.

He who judges....

[woodbuck27]

One thing about Favre is he's always been brutally honest. I credit his old man for that. If Brett did this he won't lie about it.

Disagree wholeheartedly with this. Brett Favre has been lying to his wife and family for years.

Lying about it, or just hiding it? I guess we can't answer that one.

and we should not venture into that arena.

That's ' only ' Brett Favre and his wife Deanna's personal life and business Packerrats. A common decent approach for all outsiders is never to get involved in their life, and especially not to comment speculatively.

Speculation leads to rumor and rumor often only to hurt and otherwise damage.

[woodbuck27]

B-rod has a strange way of denying this...

Favre Apologizes To Teammates About Naked Crotch Shots

Brett Favre – who allegedly took pictures of his private parts and sent them to a Jets employee named Jenn Sterger – today apologized to his teammates about the distraction,

Yeah, Vince, but this is what "wholesome" men do. It's their way of denying that any of this could possibly be true. /sarcasm

Tarlam! ' the wanna be master ' of the re-direct.

A man's honor is his own.

A man dishonored by lies and deceit is protected or sheltered best inside himself.

Innoscence cannot be challenged by 'the mob', before the proof supplied by evidence is judged by appointed peers.

Any person that allows emotion to run amuck before ' the facts of evidence ' is playing the fool.

and I add this:

From the story:

Ryan Longwell says Brett Favre cried as he apologized to teammates

Posted by: Michael David Smith ... October 11, 2010 6:26 PM ET

From this story ...

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that Sterger hasn't decided whether she will cooperate with the NFL's investigation into the matter, which Mortensen interprets as very good news for Favre.

"If she doesn't cooperate," Mortensen reported, "it's very unlikely that Favre would be disciplined."

[MJZiggy]

B-rod has a strange way of denying this...

Favre Apologizes To Teammates About Naked Crotch Shots

Brett Favre – who allegedly took pictures of his private parts and sent them to a Jets employee named Jenn Sterger – today apologized to his teammates about the distraction,

Yeah, Vince, but this is what "wholesome" men do. It's their way of denying that any of this could possibly be true. /sarcasm

Tarlam! ' the wanna be master ' of the re-direct.

A man's honor is his own.

A man dishonored by lies and deceit is protected or sheltered best inside himself.

Innoscence cannot be challenged by 'the mob', before the proof supplied by evidence is judged by appointed peers.

Any person that allows emotion to run amuck before ' the facts of evidence ' is playing the fool.

and I add this:

From the story:

Ryan Longwell says Brett Favre cried as he apologized to teammates

Posted by: Michael David Smith ... October 11, 2010 6:26 PM ET

From this story ...

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that Sterger hasn't decided whether she will cooperate with the NFL's investigation into the matter, which Mortensen interprets as very good news for Favre.

"If she doesn't cooperate," Mortensen reported, "it's very unlikely that Favre would be disciplined."

Woodbuck, why was Fave tearfully apologizing if he's done nothing wrong?

[woodbuck27]

B-rod has a strange way of denying this...

Favre Apologizes To Teammates About Naked Crotch Shots

Brett Favre – who allegedly took pictures of his private parts and sent them to a Jets employee named Jenn Sterger – today apologized to his teammates about the distraction,

Yeah, Vince, but this is what "wholesome" men do. It's their way of denying that any of this could possibly be true. /sarcasm

Tarlam! ' the wanna be master ' of the re-direct.

A man's honor is his own.

A man dishonored by lies and deceit is protected or sheltered best inside himself.

Innoscence cannot be challenged by 'the mob', before the proof supplied by evidence is judged by appointed peers.

Any person that allows emotion to run amuck before ' the facts of evidence ' is playing the fool.

and I add this:

From the story:

Ryan Longwell says Brett Favre cried as he apologized to teammates

Posted by: Michael David Smith ... October 11, 2010 6:26 PM ET

From this story ...

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that Sterger hasn't decided whether she will cooperate with the NFL's investigation into the matter, which Mortensen interprets as very good news for Favre.

"If she doesn't cooperate," Mortensen reported, "it's very unlikely that Favre would be disciplined."

Woodbuck, why was Fave tearfully apologizing if he's done nothing wrong?

Favre is well known as a very emotional person MJ. That's been reported often.

Do you read alot in a person's tears?

In Canada, or especially the tradition still exists to use tea leaves for that.

Tears often accompany pain/hurt when, for example in Favre's case. Silly football fans or hateful (hate inspired people) jumping on some ' beat him down bandwagon '.

I wonder?

Does he understand that in their ignorance and needs to judge and persecute. Some people lack moral and a certain higher quality and thinking. Lack decency and/or fairness. Are 'way over the top' impressed with sensationalism, dirty senseless rumors and character assinations.

Favre has given alot to all the teams he played for in the NFL, MJ. His driving personal goal is to assist his team the best he can and this past week has had to be a terrible distraction for him and his family. What an ugly shame.

Maybe he's feeling concern that his loyal fans may be in some doubt over this nonsence? He shouldn't be if that's the case. We understand Brett Favre and are certainly behind him through it all. Otherwise, we wouldn't be no more than simple football fans that are maybe weak, fickle, harsh and unfair as they fail to examine themselves before judging another.

He hasn't lost this fella yet. I've never been in any rush to judge a fellow human being. I'm just a human being. I cannot go there, or judge, as it's certainly wrong and personally to do so, wouldn't stand for who I am and desire to be. MJ. After all of my life I've managed to gain that much higher learning from higher thinking.

That may ony arrive through maturity in a sense unrelated to average maturity MJ. It may come from surviving life and it's many trials and tribulations and to live more gently in terms of that attitude of fairness.

You have to live life possibly for some longer time to have a real clue MJ.

I wouldn't be fair to myself MJ. I'm usually fair and accurate in how I see things and that's my patience coming to the front. I was taught to understand boudaries Vs when to be assertive / aggresive. There's not a fine line.

[vince]

Pevre may well get out of this situation without being punished by the NFL. If that occurs, it will have everything to do with MONEY and nothing to do with THE TRUTH. That much is blatantly obvious.

[woodbuck27]

Pevre may well get out of this situation without being punished by the NFL. If that occurs, it will have everything to do with MONEY and nothing to do with THE TRUTH. That much is blatantly obvious.

Absolutely no open mindedness in you Vince? No room 'for any possibility' Favre is completely innoscent? No room for fair judgement?

[Bossman641]

Woodbuck, how can you accurately analyze the situation when you won't even look at the evidence? You are coming from a less knowledgeable position then probably every person here, yet you act 100% sure he is innocent?

Regarding judging, as far as I can see you judge SC and Tarlam nearly every chance you get. You also judge many on this forum with your holier than thou attitude lecturing to us all how horrible we are for believing Favre is guilty. Do you not find some of your statements a bit hypocritical??

[sheepshead]

Pevre may well get out of this situation without being punished by the NFL. If that occurs, it will have everything to do with MONEY and nothing to do with THE TRUTH. That much is blatantly obvious.

Absolutely no open mindedness in you Vince? No room 'for any possibility' Favre is completely innoscent? No room for fair judgement?

You cant be that naive. oh maybe you can, look at your spelling.

[mmmdk]

Woodbuck, how can you accurately analyze the situation when you won't even look at the evidence? You are coming from a less knowledgeable position then probably every person here, yet you act 100% sure he is innocent?

Regarding judging, as far as I can see you judge SC and Tarlam nearly every chance you get. You also judge many on this forum with your holier than thou attitude lecturing to us all how horrible we are for believing Favre is guilty. Do you not find some of your statements a bit hypocritical??

BF is bipolar & his tears are crocodile tears.

[vince]

Pevre may well get out of this situation without being punished by the NFL. If that occurs, it will have everything to do with MONEY and nothing to do with THE TRUTH. That much is blatantly obvious.

Absolutely no open mindedness in you Vince? No room 'for any possibility' Favre is completely innoscent? No room for fair judgement?

Woody, I've taken into account everything I know about Brett Favre, looked at all of the information about this situation with an open mind, listened to the voice messages (There is no doubt whatsoever that is his voice), seen that those messages and posts can be irrefutably traced back to hihis cell phone, and arrived at a conclusion which I am confident is very consistent with all that I've learned. Brett Favre does not deserve any respect whatsoever from me or anyone else in my opinion. He is a "creepy douche" with no regard for anyone but himself, including his own family. As you can see, I'm perfectly comfortable treating him as such.

I don't have the power to take away B-rod's freedom Woody, so I'm not bound by any threshold other than what I deem to be pretty simple common sense in this case. All I can hope to do is play some miniscule part in undermining the farce that the man's reputation and unbelievable wealth has been built on. I won't be buying Wrangler jeans anytime soon, and I'll be attempting to undermine Favre's image that has been built on lies and self-absorption. It ain't much, but it's all I got in this case Woody.

[vince]

I'll also add that, while neither Jenn Sterger nor the masseuses deserve to receive such uncouth and idiotic unwanted sexual advances, she now appears to be showing that she cares only about how she can best use this situation to her greatest financial advantage. That may well mean that she ignores her responsibility here. That would be unfortunate on many levels.

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck, how can you accurately analyze the situation when you won't even look at the evidence? You are coming from a less knowledgeable position then probably every person here, yet you act 100% sure he is innocent?

Regarding judging, as far as I can see you judge SC and Tarlam nearly every chance you get. You also judge many on this forum with your holier than thou attitude lecturing to us all how horrible we are for believing Favre is guilty. Do you not find some of your statements a bit hypocritical??

"how can you accurately analyze the situation when you won't even look at the evidence?" Bossman641

I will never stoop so low as to watch some video of a man naked below the waist and jerking his slimy and acting like some under sexed slimeball with a woman that has zero interest in him.

Would viewing that video ensure that I would join the rest of the posters at Packerrats, judging Favre based on mere allegations of some tape that was attained without consent, and shows a man that has a voice similiar to Favre's and other body parts that many say just cannot be Favre's?

The answer is NO! Based on what I'm reading. Seeing that video would be a moot effort. Pointless and again a violation of my self respect and choice of free will.

You judge Favre. You join the rest of the railbirds Bossman641. Don't exercise Free Will. Don't act as your own man and take what I believe is the correct or higher road. Favre should not be judged publicly and certainly not at Packerrats. We should be above that as a small society.

You belong where your comfortable and feel right in your integrity. Right? You belong where your FREE WILL lands you. On the opposite side of a fence from me. That fence is called pre judgement. Your side YES! Favre's guilty.

My sde says:

I refuse to judge him. To do so would, 'in fact' make me 'a hypocrit', as I'm imagining many here are in their lack of decent sense, not to judge as that's ethically wrong. Hypocritically wrong and out of place, given. ' The fact' of your, or anyone else's humanity.

That's not my place. Are you perfect Bossman641? Anyone else here at Packerrats perfect? I'm certainly NOT perfect. The haters here will be very quick to inform you of wooodbuck27 and their assessment of me and perfect.

Watch or pay close attention how they go about that. Tyhey believe they have skills. Worse they believe that their correct and justified.They'll inform the membership of my frequent attacks on so many posters.

In fact any perceived attacks are most likely against them and their insider admirers and them not so much.

The clique at Packerreats. It certainly exists. They perceive they have certain and special powers. They are disallutioned.

Packerrats and Bossman641:

If your perfect, anyone? If that's the case then you may certainly justify to me your exceptional Goflike standards as and therefore be above most human beings and an eligible candidate to judge Favre based on your ideal set of morals and ethical behaviours. That only as your appointed to investigate, find guilty and punish Favre in light of his guilt.

I'm not prefecrt. I have not been perfect. I have error'd as a human being. I certainly may not be as solid in character as you are Bossman641? In any case, as I'm a mere human being I'm not qualified to judge Favre and not even eligible. I'm merely a football fan and noone has appointed me as judge of Favre RE: Deadspin published evidence or allegations of Favre's immoral or unethical behaviour.

Is that clear?


" You are coming from a less knowledgeable position then probably every person here, yet you act 100% sure he is innocent?" Bossman641

I'm not sure of either his guilt nor of his innoscence Bossman641.

My position is clearly stated. I don't as yet know. I act of my free will and choose the higher road. I refuse to lower my standards to anyone's that has judged Favre based on material, that many fans say does not fix Favre as the man in that Deadspin released video.

Deadspin....that is a certain play on words hahaaha... as in that spin by Deadspin is ' dead in the water BS' ...

...and as a result, slanderous to Brett Favre. Everey man or woman that jumps on the Favre is guilty, and positively, that man in that video is jumping the gun...persecuting Favre prematurely and a a result wrongly.

Is that clear to you now Bossman641?

A public judgement of Favre is hardly fair in terms related to the known evidence. A video and text messages that have to be carefully examined by people properly appointed to investigate all evidence. That's not you or I or anyone else at Packerrats. Is my position clear now? I cannot make my position more clear Bossman641

" Regarding judging, as far as I can see you judge SC and Tarlam nearly every chance you get. You also judge many on this forum with your holier than thou attitude lecturing to us all how horrible we are for believing Favre is guilty. Do you not find some of your statements a bit hypocritical?? " Bossman641

I cannot judge Scott Campbell nor Tarlam! as I'm again not eligible. I can knowing them on boards /foums and seeing their style of behaviour and posts and their treatment of members here especially Scott Campbell's derisive and sarcastic offensive ways and manners poitively point out that they are haters. Read their posts. It's too easy to determine that fact in their personalities and agendas.

That cannot only be obvious to me. Others here cannot be totally blinded by their posts that clearly express their passions of hate. They both hate very well as more and more I see their power snare others at Packerrats as they join the cheer to persecute Favre. That is only one aspect of their power to hate.

That is their position and so be it. These two posters never get inside of me. I've observed their ways for five years. I've observed others here that act similiar or just like them in a sort of mutual admiration society or private club. So be it.

I don't have to, nor will I ever join their club. They are exactly what I don't ever desire to be, need to be and would lose my self-respect and moral and ethical integrity if I was to become like them. They are clearly driven by obsessions of hate. They are as a result dangerous to my Green Bay Packer fan forum or my Packer home on the internet...Packerrats. Our home ...all packerrats sense of what home should and must be maintaied to be. A place that is non-threatening and non evasive RE: common decency and respect for ALL of the membership. It's OK to disagre as long as they have their power and way. Try criticizing either of them and feel thir wrath and resentment.

Anyone at Packerrats I challenge you to go there.

I know that by making this statement I challenge both Scott Campbell and Tarlam! to change or expose themselves as just what they are, in terms related to past observations. I believe that they will threrefore change and I as a result protect Packerrats.

This issue I have is founded onn just that.It's not at all about me and my problems with either of them .I can handle Scott Campbell and Tarlam! easily. I've had to prove this in the past to myself or I would have gone the way of some past members that were not mas strong and left the Packer forum because of their discomfort or other personal pain because they felt oppressed and unsuported by the general membership that just sits and watch's 'thew show' without intervening and calling out these haters 'to just STOP'. To just clean up and stop their obsessions to ridicule and otherwise demean members of the forum that they choose to disrespect.

If you knew me and my background you would become more understanding of my necessary position.

I believe that the Scott Campbell's and the Tarlam!'s are as they are from their heritage and upbringing that I'm sure they are as proud of as I am mine, Bossman641. Unfortunately my ways and theirs are polar opposites and thus we end up on opposite sides, in terms of hard issues.

Are we so different inn terms of the fact of a cultural difference? Your from the USA. I'm a Canadian from the Maitimes of Eastern Canada.

Is our differences a factor that my father fought against haters and fashists and the perils of Nazi hatred and all innoscent people in that society that wern't of the status quo? Is it maybe because I live the best I cannas a Christian man? Is it a factor of maybe a difference in our educations? Maybe it has to do withjust a personality difference. An emotional balance difference? etc.

No hate is unacceptable as it's an offensive emotion that can only inspire a seed to a web of destruction and domination of their way or the highway and their way is absolutey wrong and unacceptable in OUR Packer forum. Not their Packer forum. Not ever just their agenda's based in their hatred and thus their sickness.

There you go Bossman641. My side of why I oppose the liikes of Scott Campbell and Tarlam!as they've been inmy most sincere and TRTHFUL observations over five years posting on the same Green Bay Packer forums as them.

I mean not to offend .ONly ask for the haters to intervene uponthemselves. STOP Hating. Stop being doninantly oppressive to anyone who ever desires to enjoy Packerats.

The above is TRUTH. My TRUTH.


My name is Edwin Wood woodbuck27

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more personal attacks

when will something be done about this?