Post game chat with Cleft Crusty (at Washington)

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[MichiganPackerFan]

Clefty never drinks on game day. I take my job seriously, when I'm healthy enough to work. Strangely, the Packer make me feel healthy in comparison.

I thought you had fully retired. Are you still sneaking in some real work?


I am frustrated with the injuries, particularly with them hitting in a season with expectations so high. My wife would like the training staff's head on a platter and I wonder how much of it is luck and how much can realistically be reduced by the training staff? (i know it's a late question, but I'm just getting through the last couple days of posts!)

[Cheesehead Craig]

Cleft,

How's your cholesterol level?

Let's put it this way: My credit score is 550 - that's OK. My Cholesterol level is higher - that's bad. I was on a 12 egg/day diet in the summer, and I'm coming off that and using a combination of Lovistatin, Zetia and a diet supplemented with Vaseline. Should be better soon, but it's slippery going, if you get my drift.

550 is a terrrrrrible credit score.

[Cleft Crusty]

Cleft,

How's your cholesterol level?

Let's put it this way: My credit score is 550 - that's OK. My Cholesterol level is higher - that's bad. I was on a 12 egg/day diet in the summer, and I'm coming off that and using a combination of Lovistatin, Zetia and a diet supplemented with Vaseline. Should be better soon, but it's slippery going, if you get my drift.

550 is a terrrrrrible credit score.

I'm glad that you apparently have a good credit score. Let's see how you fare once you're spending 150,000 every year on prescription meds, have two homes in foreclosure, and have 9 credit cards all maxed out and paying interest only. When you're semi-retired, making 63 cents/hour and only working 6-10 hours a week, times are tough mister. Did you have a football question?

[Cleft Crusty]

Clefty never drinks on game day. I take my job seriously, when I'm healthy enough to work. Strangely, the Packer make me feel healthy in comparison.

I thought you had fully retired. Are you still sneaking in some real work?


I am frustrated with the injuries, particularly with them hitting in a season with expectations so high. My wife would like the training staff's head on a platter and I wonder how much of it is luck and how much can realistically be reduced by the training staff? (i know it's a late question, but I'm just getting through the last couple days of posts!)

I assume you watched the game. I'll give one illustrative example: Pickett was injured when some 300 pound offensive lineman put his full weight on Picket's ankle. Is Pickett's ankle made of titanium? No. So what the hell could the training staff do to prevent this injury? The answer is nothing. Perhaps if Pickett were slightly more flexible, or slightly faster/agile, perhaps the injury would have been lessened. But is Pickett less flexible than Tackles on other teams? I think you know the answer. Injuries are pretty random. Non-contact injuries are a different matter. If the Packers pick those up by the bunches, then look out. Clay Matthews' hammy may fall into this category, but it appears as though the training staff has been extremely careful with him. Perhaps the Packers need to get a new team doctor. McKenzie is getting up there in years. Perhaps his flexibility issues are hurting the team...Who knows?

[HowardRoark]

Cleft,

How's your cholesterol level?

Let's put it this way: My credit score is 550 - that's OK. My Cholesterol level is higher - that's bad. I was on a 12 egg/day diet in the summer, and I'm coming off that and using a combination of Lovistatin, Zetia and a diet supplemented with Vaseline. Should be better soon, but it's slippery going, if you get my drift.

550 is a terrrrrrible credit score.

I'm glad that you apparently have a good credit score. Let's see how you fare once you're spending 150,000 every year on prescription meds, have two homes in foreclosure, and have 9 credit cards all maxed out and paying interest only. When you're semi-retired, making 63 cents/hour and only working 6-10 hours a week, times are tough mister. Did you have a football question?

Do you have a prescription for Versed? If so, could you PM me? I have a colonoscopy coming up, and they never give me enough……and it would be nice to have a little on hand for Packer games too.

[MichiganPackerFan]

Clefty never drinks on game day. I take my job seriously, when I'm healthy enough to work. Strangely, the Packer make me feel healthy in comparison.

I thought you had fully retired. Are you still sneaking in some real work?


I am frustrated with the injuries, particularly with them hitting in a season with expectations so high. My wife would like the training staff's head on a platter and I wonder how much of it is luck and how much can realistically be reduced by the training staff? (i know it's a late question, but I'm just getting through the last couple days of posts!)

I assume you watched the game. I'll give one illustrative example: Pickett was injured when some 300 pound offensive lineman put his full weight on Picket's ankle. Is Pickett's ankle made of titanium? No. So what the hell could the training staff do to prevent this injury? The answer is nothing. Perhaps if Pickett were slightly more flexible, or slightly faster/agile, perhaps the injury would have been lessened. But is Pickett less flexible than Tackles on other teams? I think you know the answer. Injuries are pretty random. Non-contact injuries are a different matter. If the Packers pick those up by the bunches, then look out. Clay Matthews' hammy may fall into this category, but it appears as though the training staff has been extremely careful with him. Perhaps the Packers need to get a new team doctor. McKenzie is getting up there in years. Perhaps his flexibility issues are hurting the team...Who knows?

THat was my thought on Harrell, that no amount of training could help his knee hold up when the entire pile fell on him. It seems like the training staff's impact is minimal outside of flexibility.

(I was at the game watching through increasingly blurring vision - lots of FUN!!! Frustrating loss, but I still had a great time, so I'm probably taking this loss a lot better than most here)

What about the advancement of equipment? The ankle may not be made of titanium, but are braces and other support in existence that provide stability without restricting movement? It seems like the NFL has a lot of cash and they'd be way ahead in this area. You made a good point about the helmet not being able to absorb that amount of force a couple weeks back. What type of insight can you offer here?

[Guiness]

THat was my thought on Harrell,

Cleft,

Want I should whack him for thread crapping?

Can't have him pulling rank and cutting in with thoughtful answers while you're waiting for your wife to charge up the defibrillator.