INJURIES!!

[mraynrand]

I have now watched that play at least 6 times in slow motion and stop action. I see absolutely no reason for a penalty to have been called. Just my opinion, but if he was injured on that play it was probably from contact with the ground, which he hit quite hard.

I was pretty sure there was helmet to helmet contact. That's an automatic penalty. are you saying there was NO helmet to helmet? If that's true, I need to get my eyes checked - and not by that quack that Cleft Crusty goes to.

[bobblehead]

I think MM stating it was a helmet to helmet hit is good. he could have gone further:

"Our guys up front have to do a better job protecting Aaron. AR has taken several shots to the head this season and we can't wait around hoping the officials notice and protect him, WE need to stop it from happening."

call out the refs without calling them out.

[bobblehead]

I have now watched that play at least 6 times in slow motion and stop action. I see absolutely no reason for a penalty to have been called. Just my opinion, but if he was injured on that play it was probably from contact with the ground, which he hit quite hard.

Bedard showed AR's stats before and after the QB sneak in the second quarter. Night and day. AR stunk on ice after that play. Bedard says he isn't implying anything, simply pointing out that AR wasn't the same after taking a shot to the head on that play.....yea, not implying, simply flat out saying it.

[Patler]

I was pretty sure there was helmet to helmet contact. That's an automatic penalty. are you saying there was NO helmet to helmet? If that's true, I need to get my eyes checked - and not by that quack that Cleft Crusty goes to.

Yup, that's what I'm saying. The angle wasn't the greatest (the replay was from directly behind Rodgers, and not zoomed in real tight), but the LB pulled up and jumped as he got there, throwing his arms up and chest out. He was up very high. I think his chest may have hit Rodger's face mask, but it didn't look like his helmet did. If he grazed it on the way up, he sure didn't hit it very hard, because it didn't affect the height on his jump at all. It did look like Rodgers hit his head pretty hard on the ground, however.

[Smidgeon]

I was pretty sure there was helmet to helmet contact. That's an automatic penalty. are you saying there was NO helmet to helmet? If that's true, I need to get my eyes checked - and not by that quack that Cleft Crusty goes to.

Yup, that's what I'm saying. The angle wasn't the greatest (the replay was from directly behind Rodgers, and not zoomed in real tight), but the LB pulled up and jumped as he got there, throwing his arms up and chest out. He was up very high. I think his chest may have hit Rodger's face mask, but it didn't look like his helmet did. If he grazed it on the way up, he sure didn't hit it very hard, because it didn't affect the height on his jump at all. It did look like Rodgers hit his head pretty hard on the ground, however.

But isn't hitting a QB in the head with anything an automatic "roughing the passer"? The helmet to helmet applies to every player. The QB's supposed to have extra rules protecting him.

[Joemailman]

I'm not sure what you're seeing Patler. The helmet or the facemask of the LB hits Arod in the side of the helmet, causing Arod's had to snap to the side. Really, it doesn't matter what he hit him with. Any blow to the helmet of a QB is supposed to be a penalty.

[Patler]

I'm not sure what you're seeing Patler. The helmet or the facemask of the LB hits Arod in the side of the helmet, causing Arod's had to snap to the side. Really, it doesn't matter what he hit him with. Any blow to the helmet of a QB is supposed to be a penalty.

I don't see that. I see Rodgers turning his head as the LB jumps right in front of him. As I said, I'm not sure anything hit Rodgers helmet. The LB could just as easily have hit Rodgers chest/shoulder/arm.

If you want to see a helmet hit, you can certainly interpret it that way. I just think it also can be seen differently.


By the way, did you notice the DB grabbing Jackson's helmet above the facemask when making the tackle on his long run? It didn't show at all during the play. But after the Packers scored, when the broadcast broke for commercial they showed the end of the run from an end zone camera. The DB clearly stuck his fingers in and hooked onto the edge of the helmet.

[Tarlam!]

Like I said, I saw what Patler saw, but only live and no more. I think it was the sneak that did it.

[red]

My money is that the QB sneak is the culprit. He got stoned on that play and even Buck and Aikman commented how daized he looked. The next pass was off que, I doubt even Finley could have muscelled it in.
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great point, i forgot all about that

i do now remember aikman saying he looked dazed as he was going to the sidline

[Smidgeon]

I'm not sure what you're seeing Patler. The helmet or the facemask of the LB hits Arod in the side of the helmet, causing Arod's had to snap to the side. Really, it doesn't matter what he hit him with. Any blow to the helmet of a QB is supposed to be a penalty.

I don't see that. I see Rodgers turning his head as the LB jumps right in front of him. As I said, I'm not sure anything hit Rodgers helmet. The LB could just as easily have hit Rodgers chest/shoulder/arm.

If you want to see a helmet hit, you can certainly interpret it that way. I just think it also can be seen differently.


By the way, did you notice the DB grabbing Jackson's helmet above the facemask when making the tackle on his long run? It didn't show at all during the play. But after the Packers scored, when the broadcast broke for commercial they showed the end of the run from an end zone camera. The DB clearly stuck his fingers in and hooked onto the edge of the helmet.

Yeah, I saw that. Wasn't happy about it, but not as upset as when Matthews didn't get the hold called against the RT in the endzone.

After the Bears' game, I'm not quite as worked up about losses and "poor" calls. Seems every year I need to get the first loss out of my system before I can watch from a balanced perspective.

But that non-hold still gets me. Matthews could have been credited with a safety and finished the game with 2.5 sacks...

[Patler]

But that non-hold still gets me. Matthews could have been credited with a safety and finished the game with 2.5 sacks...

At least the refs were consistent, because Bulaga did the same thing several times and didn't get called either.

[Smidgeon]

But that non-hold still gets me. Matthews could have been credited with a safety and finished the game with 2.5 sacks...

At least the refs were consistent, because Bulaga did the same thing several times and didn't get called either.

I agree. But I wish they would have been consistent calling the egregarious holds instead of not calling them. Bulaga didn't hold in his own endzone.

[Bretsky]

I seriously think McCarthy needs to stand up and make a statement to his team. Rodgers has taken so many hits to the head, and now it appears as if this one came close to a knock out blow. McCarthy needs to criticize the refs in his press conference tomorrow, take the fine, move on. Threaten them...sending tape into the league, whatever the case is. Stop being "mr. perfect" in front ofthe press, and throw some refs under the bus.

This earns the five clapper

[Bretsky]

MM as a coach reacts like Macha as a mgr after his players kept getting thrown at

[vince]

I'm not sure what you're seeing Patler. The helmet or the facemask of the LB hits Arod in the side of the helmet, causing Arod's had to snap to the side. Really, it doesn't matter what he hit him with. Any blow to the helmet of a QB is supposed to be a penalty.

I don't see that. I see Rodgers turning his head as the LB jumps right in front of him. As I said, I'm not sure anything hit Rodgers helmet. The LB could just as easily have hit Rodgers chest/shoulder/arm.

If you want to see a helmet hit, you can certainly interpret it that way. I just think it also can be seen differently.


By the way, did you notice the DB grabbing Jackson's helmet above the facemask when making the tackle on his long run? It didn't show at all during the play. But after the Packers scored, when the broadcast broke for commercial they showed the end of the run from an end zone camera. The DB clearly stuck his fingers in and hooked onto the edge of the helmet.

They just showed the play from multiple angles on ESPN and it is clear that the defender hit Rodgers helmet-to-helmet twice, once right at the initial hit and again when he landed on him on the ground. It was particularly clear from the endzone camera that wasn't shown I don't think during the game.