Punter Jon Ryan's hope - closer to reality

[Patler]

His blocks have been reported several times. Here is the most recent from JSO at the end of July:

"It's also crucial that Ryan punts well with a slightly faster delivery. In the CFL, Ryan averaged about 1.5 seconds from the time he caught the snap to the kick. NFL teams look for punters to get rid of the ball in 1.3 seconds or less. Though that final 0.05 of a second is a short time, it's meaningful because a blocked punt can lose a game.

"Ryan had four punts blocked last season in the CFL — an astonishingly high number — though he said none was because he got the ball off too slowly. He attributed the blocks to protection breakdowns and trying to punt a little lower than usual into strong winds.

"You can never have four blocks in a season. That's a lifetime or two lifetimes worth of blocked punts," Ryan said. "It was tough, but I have to take part of the responsibility."

[Willard]

If he toss's Ryan in favor of Sander? That would be masochistic - maybe time for a quick wardrobe change into something restrictive.

That isn't happening.

I also doubt BJ will beat Ryan (Sanders is toast), but I think there is a slight chance that TT brings in somebody else to look at if he is concerned that Ryan's delivery can't be improved.

[Patler]

I think it was the Bengal's ST coach who said, after Ryans tryout with them, that he would enjoy working with Ryan because of his leg, but the changes needed to improve his speed and hang time were more than could be accomplished in one off-season. He said whoever signs him would have to accept the fact that he might have one or two blocked, and may kick a few linedrives with long returns. He went on to say that the second off season might be the real turning point for Ryan.

[Willard]

I think it was the Bengal's ST coach who said, after Ryans tryout with them, that he would enjoy working with Ryan because of his leg, but the changes needed to improve his speed and hang time were more than could be accomplished in one off-season. He said whoever signs him would have to accept the fact that he might have one or two blocked, and may kick a few linedrives with long returns. He went on to say that the second off season might be the real turning point for Ryan.

Considering my pathetic performance in the Punt, Pass & Kick competition almost 30 years ago I will defer to the opinion of the special teams professional.

This could be exciting everytime the Pack has to punt. Perhaps a drinking game is in order: Down your entire beer or drink every time a punt is blocked. It will keep us interested, yet dull the pain at the same time. What do you think?

[Patler]

This could be exciting everytime the Pack has to punt. Perhaps a drinking game is in order: Down your entire beer or drink every time a punt is blocked. It will keep us interested, yet dull the pain at the same time. What do you think?

That would encourage too many Packer fans to WANT punts to beblocked!

[woodbuck27]

This could be exciting everytime the Pack has to punt. Perhaps a drinking game is in order: Down your entire beer or drink every time a punt is blocked. It will keep us interested, yet dull the pain at the same time. What do you think?

That would encourage too many Packer fans to WANT punts to beblocked!

Ahhhhh Patler. Solid.

[woodbuck27]

If he toss's Ryan in favor of Sander? That would be masochistic - maybe time for a quick wardrobe change into something restrictive.

That isn't happening.

I also doubt BJ will beat Ryan (Sanders is toast), but I think there is a slight chance that TT brings in somebody else to look at if he is concerned that Ryan's delivery can't be improved.

We are certainly prepared for that but first he needs to screw up.

[pbmax]

At practice on monday, my buddy and I started timing both BJ and Ryan on their time from getting the snap to kick, and then hang time, and longest kick.

Get-Off Hang Time Long
BJ 0.9sec. 4.5sec. 44
1.0sec. 4.9sec 54
0.8sec. 4.5sec. 48

Ryan 1.7sec. 3.8sec. 52
1.5sec. 4.0sec. 60
1.8sec. 3.4sec. 56


those were eachs 3 punts they had in punt team. Sorry i didn' tpost this earlier in the week, my buddy had the piece of paper. Just so you are also aware....Coach McCarthy's "requirements" are a 1.4 get off, 4.2 hang time.

I like Ryan cause he has a booming leg...but everythign else is really slow or low. He takes a bit to get off, he's ball doesn't stay up as well, and he doesn't have as much control over his direction of the ball as BJ has. i'm still saying BJ will win the punt-challenge.

N.D. I have never seen get off times that low, but since the same two people were taking the time, I assume at they measure the difference accurately.

Did anyone notice if the extra hop step was gone against S.D.? I thought he looked much smoother.

[woodbuck27]

At practice on monday, my buddy and I started timing both BJ and Ryan on their time from getting the snap to kick, and then hang time, and longest kick.

Get-Off Hang Time Long
BJ 0.9sec. 4.5sec. 44
1.0sec. 4.9sec 54
0.8sec. 4.5sec. 48

Ryan 1.7sec. 3.8sec. 52
1.5sec. 4.0sec. 60
1.8sec. 3.4sec. 56


those were eachs 3 punts they had in punt team. Sorry i didn' tpost this earlier in the week, my buddy had the piece of paper. Just so you are also aware....Coach McCarthy's "requirements" are a 1.4 get off, 4.2 hang time.

I like Ryan cause he has a booming leg...but everythign else is really slow or low. He takes a bit to get off, he's ball doesn't stay up as well, and he doesn't have as much control over his direction of the ball as BJ has. i'm still saying BJ will win the punt-challenge.

N.D. I have never seen get off times that low, but since the same two people were taking the time, I assume at they measure the difference accurately.

Did anyone notice if the extra hop step was gone against S.D.? I thought he looked much smoother.

pbmax:

His problem still hang time as per this:

Ryan has become a competent holder and has a much stronger leg than Sander. Ryan would finish him off if his hang times were more consistent. His four punts in San Diego averaged merely 3.80 seconds.

Fr. Bob McGinn's - Roster Analysis. 14 Aug. 2006.

[BooHoo]

Hope TT gets the punting and kicking game figured out before the start of the season. Being the GM, he gets the credit or the blame.

[woodbuck27]

Hope TT gets the punting and kicking game figured out before the start of the season. Being the GM, he gets the credit or the blame.

Be careful.

[BooHoo]

Hope TT gets the punting and kicking game figured out before the start of the season. Being the GM, he gets the credit or the blame.

Be careful.

Not an attack on TT at all. As GM the buck stops with him.

[woodbuck27]

Hope TT gets the punting and kicking game figured out before the start of the season. Being the GM, he gets the credit or the blame.

Be careful.

Not an attack on TT at all. As GM the buck stops with him.

I do agree with that.

I expect that, YTed Thompson is under some pressure as it comes with the territory. I trust he'll respond for our immediate as well as OUR future good fortunes. I expect that from him also, as just one Packer fan.

GO PACKERS ! HOLD THE FAITH FOR 2006 !!

[woodbuck27]

Wed August 16,2006

By Chris Havel

RANT:

What do the Green Bay Packers and the Green Bay Blizzard have in common? Neither has a punter. The difference is the Blizzard has an excuse. The Packers' punters — B.J. Sander and Jon Ryan — leave plenty to be desired.

Sander gets decent hang time, and his getaway time has improved drastically, but he doesn't have the necessary leg strength. Sander is especially susceptible to short punts when the weather gets chilly.

Ryan has a powerful leg. There's no question about that. But he is susceptible to having punts blocked, and he is very inconsistent. Ryan will boom a 60-yard punt, and he will turn around and shank a 25-yarder. What happens when the Packers are backed up deep in their territory, and Ryan is a step from the back of the end zone, and he shanks it? Or worse, it gets blocked? The opposing team scores.

In a best-case scenario, Ryan finds the necessary consistency to perform in the NFL. So far, I don't see that happening.

In a worst-case scenario, Sander wins the job by default and the Packers are strapped with a mediocre (at best) punter.

It's time to bring another punter into the mix. Why bother trying to discover whether Sander or Ryan is better when neither is the answer?