What is wrong with Aaron?

[Tarlam!]

Not to bring up the age old comparison

Yeah, but you did. Couldn't resist, I guess. I just hope the thread doesn't morph as a result, because the discussion up until now has been invigorating and on topic.

[sheepshead]

I didnt read this whole thread so sorry if im redundant, but I was at the game Sunday and you could see his timing seems off sometimes. Some plain ol' bad throws too. I do think the hits he's been taking have diminished some of the confidence we saw at times and hoped for. I think its tough for him to get on his line publicly or maybe at all. Its like pissing off your barber, could have the opposite effect. Bottom line, i think the hits are getting to him some. Not what we need to put out there either as bulletin board material.

Rodgers got slapped to the ground 50 times last season (and that is just the sacks, not counting QB pressures and hits)... he never, at any point during htat, appeared to have "lost his confidence".

In fact, while the OL play has been poor starting out here, it's actually been improved over how it started last year.

Rodger isn't a bad QB by any stretch of the imagination, but he may not be as good as he initially set the bar at. He still holds the ball too long, and no, it hasn't been corrected and it's been a consistent problem people have pointed out about him his entire career here. He isn't as decisive if his initial read isn't open - as in - he is slow in reading coverage, which leads to him holding the ball too long.

One thing I will say about Favre is outside of the fact Minnesota didn't throw the ball that much in their win, favre still completed a high percentage of balls while getting absolutely hammered, including some key 3rd down conversions, and he made one hell of a throw to moss in the endzone that should of been caught.

Not to bring up the age old comparison, but #4 is a prime example that lack of time in the pocket should not mean lack of ability to find an open reciever.

Rodgers isn't nearly under the gun as much as #4, and his numbers show that. However, he still seems to have a hard time getting the ball out of his hands quickly.

HE KNOWS his OL isn't going to give him more than 5 seconds max. He has 5 seconds to diagnose the defense and hit the open man. I just don't think he is reading the defense very well.

Thats kinda my point. Its an observation. I wasnt trying to quote arod.

[Fritz]

I think part of it falls on McStubby. He kept emphasizing Rodgers taking more risks.

Rodgers' first season success was often hinged upon his checking down and getting short gains. Now we see lots more long passes going incomplete.

[Packers4Glory]

Whats wrong w/ AAron?


How bout no commitment to the run and spotty protection. No rushing = defense teeing off on the QB. It really puts the O-line on their heels to be pass protecting an entire game when the D knows you're not going to try and run the ball.

This makes everything less effective, most importantly the play action passing which is a huge part of this offense.

Commit to the damn run. at least it kills some clock and the defense isn't out there for so many minutes every damn game.

Total Plays 78 to 59

Guess which number we are? This is what happens when you can't run the ball. you wear the D down and then guys start getting hurt. More time = more risk.

Miami had the ball for almost 10 more minutes in a game that was decided by and OT FG.

+1

Maybe it wold have been better to have a 12 play drive ending in a FG instead of a one play drive for a TD to Jennings. The number of plays doesn't matter much if you keep scoring.

How many of those have we had all season?

1 play scores are not the norm. we still need to run the ball and keep teams honest.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Didn't read the whole thread, but Rodgers ran into a lot many sacks yesterday. I seemed like he wasn't at all comfortable in the pocket. Many times I would see him roll out and he would have a nice pocket formed. Maybe its the receivers not getting open (and I do think they are overrated), but I think overall he had a below average game.

Side note - Driver looks like he has lost a step this year.

[get louder at lambeau]

Here are the sacks. Discuss amongst yourselves-

1.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d81b64d49/Dolphins-defense-sack-12-yd-loss

2.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d81b64d45/Dolphins-defense-sack-5-yd-loss

3.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d81b65dce/Dolphins-defense-sack-1-yd-loss

4.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d81b65e77/Dolphins-defense-sack-5-yd-loss

5.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d81b66981/Dolphins-defense-sack-7-yd-loss

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Here are the sacks. Discuss amongst yourselves-

1.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d81b64d49/Dolphins-defense-sack-12-yd-loss

2.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d81b64d45/Dolphins-defense-sack-5-yd-loss

3.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d81b65dce/Dolphins-defense-sack-1-yd-loss

4.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d81b65e77/Dolphins-defense-sack-5-yd-loss

5.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-...sack-7-yd-loss

Number 1 and number 5 look like he just didn't have time to throw. Number 2 and 3 looks like he ran into the sack. I could be that just no one is getting open, but it looked like he had time and just didn't stay in the pocket long enough. Number 4 is odd b/c he looks at Quarless and has time to throw it to him but he doesn't and instead eats the sack.

I count 3 on Rodgers, 2 on the online.

[MichiganPackerFan]

It's definitely time for him to have an A game this week against MIN. With SO MANY players out, he has got to be BIG.

[retailguy]

Look, this team starts this way every year. Just don't look in sync for the first half of the season.

This year was a little better, but still not good. Then the injury bug bit hard, and now, we just aren't very good.

Our OL is still below average (and I don't care what the statistics say), but it bounces from one to the other lineman, just like it has for the past 3 years. Now cliffy and tausch look old, but bulaga looks pretty raw too. this year colledge has played better, but still not great. if it weren't for wells & sitton, I'm not sure where we'd be.

fact is, we're beat up. we're going to lose a fair amount of games this season, so we just have to live with it.

you get what you get with McCarthy. He isn't going to change. We aren't going to run the ball. We aren't going to a short dump off game. we're gonna keep chucking it, and Rodgers is gonna keep getting hit.

Rodgers is NOT our problem. He's a symptom of the problem. When the problem is fixed, Rodgers will go immediately back to being a top 5 qb.

we need different playcalling and a better, (consistent is a better word) OL. Oh, and a few less injured players too.

[get louder at lambeau]

we need different playcalling and a better, (consistent is a better word) OL. Oh, and a few less injured players too.

One less injury (Matthews) and we're 5-1, even with all the other injuries, the playcalling, and the OL.

[red]

Here are the sacks. Discuss amongst yourselves-

1.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d81b64d49/Dolphins-defense-sack-12-yd-loss

2.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d81b64d45/Dolphins-defense-sack-5-yd-loss

3.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d81b65dce/Dolphins-defense-sack-1-yd-loss

4.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d81b65e77/Dolphins-defense-sack-5-yd-loss

5.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-...sack-7-yd-loss

like i mentioned in another thread, or maybe this one. a-rod didn't do bulaga any favors in this game. BB got beat by the ole reggie white hump move on one sack. on the others he seems to have held his position pretty good, rodgers then moved into a position to get sacked

[digitaldean]

IMO, Rodgers has had a decent year. Nowhere near great, but also nowhere near deserving the criticism from some in this forum and idiot writers like Silverstein. Only strikes against him in Miami game is the pick in the 2nd half and the pass that missed Nelson early in the game.

But hear some other items that aren't helping the O's cause....(and yes, some of them have been beaten to death already, but I'm fed up with Rodgers getting unjustly criticized)

DROPS and FUMBLES: Who fumbled the ball late vs. the Bears? (Jones).Who dropped a sure TD on the offside call at the beginning of the game vs. Miami? (Jones). Who had four drops in ONE game ? (Driver). Nelson has had numerous drops this season as well. Jennings has had drops as well. Not expecting perfection from the WR corps, but when you are dropping sure TDs or giving the opponent the ball on your side of the field, it doesn't help.

BLOCKING (or lack thereof): Bulaga was great vs. Wash and Orakpo. Against Miami, he stunk on ice. Even worse, no significant help was provided. Cliffy is good for the run, but is a revolving door in pass protection to this point.

DUMBASS penalties: Colledge's false starts

PLAYCALLING and CLOCK MISMANAGEMENT: Washington game. We are actually running pretty well vs. Washington, but then abandon it when we get stopped on a couple plays. Though I get going for it on 4th & Goal in the first half, the call to have Quarless be the main receiver on the play for such a crucial call is bizarre at best.

SPECIAL TEAMS: Masthay can't punt consistently to save his soul. Why is this guy even on the roster? Call Jeff Feagles and throw money in his face to punt the rest of the year. (currently he's rIf he can't punt decently when it's nice out, how the heck can he punt when the ball becomes a block of ice in November and December? Our coverage, even before the injuries, was pathetic. Now with all the backups being asked to start, the new backups are doing even worse (if that's possible).

[mission]

he's fine imo. his worst enemy is mm and his game plan. losing finley and no running game hasn't helped.

I'd have to align myself with this most --but very good thread, a lot of you make good points that all have some validity.

Not a whole lot more I can add, but I don't see him hitting any ridiculously good stretches coming up. Only because I believe MM and the lack of running game will not be able to create a productive environment.

The team's a mess, frankly.

But I'm still down! Go Pack Go!

Who knows, maybe a top 10 draft pick will get us that playmaker that puts us over the top (and MM somehow gets fired) ??

[The Leaper]

When your QB calls out the head coach for his playcalling/substitutions, it isn't a good sign. The QB and coach should be in lock step. If they aren't, nothing but bad mojo will follow...and we are seeing that all too well.

To some extent, I think Rodgers has gotten caught up a little in all the attention and accolades. That is only natural. I think it happens to just about any QB who starts ascending that ladder into the clouds where the best in the game currently reside. It's McCarthy's job to kick Rodgers square in the ass and make sure he realizes that he has to work even harder now. McCarthy can't even do that to his pathetic ST coach...so how will he do it to Rodgers?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. McCarthy is in over his head. He's not a head coach. He doesn't understand how to evaluate and assemble the best coaching staff to support him. He doesn't understand how to make effective adjustments at halftime to take advantages of strengths/weaknesses seen in the opposition's game plan. Hell...he can't even figure out how to ensure that he makes challenges properly. The guy really has never put together a string of nice victories against teams with talent on par with his own.

If the QB loses confidence in the head coach, things will unravel. Rodgers starts thinking about why something else might work better rather than focusing on doing his job 100% on the play at hand. He's not going through his progressions effectively enough. He's got happy feet every time he goes back to pass. These are warning signs that something isn't right...and the Packers better jump on that mess in a hurry.

[denverYooper]

Rodgers: "I have to look at myself first and I have to play better. I have not been playing up to the standard I've set...in my 38 starts."