Packers offer contract to Tramon Williams

[bobblehead]

Thompson has thrown way too much money at the aging veterans on the team who won't bring much in return for that cash. .

this has got to be the first time this has been uttered on this board (not that I'm disagreeing).

[Cheesehead Craig]

Not sure the kid is a top 5 CB yet. I think he has an argument in the top 10. Thompson has thrown way too much money at the aging veterans on the team who won't bring much in return for that cash. About time he tosses money at someone younger with potential.

I think the Packers offer is a fair starting point...$6M per seems right for a kid who is playing well, but doesn't have that long of a track record of great play.

Solid post. Agree 100%.

[Guiness]

Who are the top 5 CB's in the league right now? I really don't know...Asomugha is the only shoo-in, as far as I'm concerned.

It does seem like we are in the midst of a changing of the guard at CB. A lot of the big names from the last 4-5 years are starting to hit the downside of their careers. However, I think there are a lot of very talented kids with less than 5 years of experience that are very comparable to Tramon...some even probably better at this point. Think Brandon Flowers, Ron Bartell (yeah, the Rams have a very good young CB) or Aqib Talib.

Aquib - there's a guy I like.

Flowers, eh? I remember wanting the Packers would take him, then we traded out of the first round. Looked like we might end up with him anyways, but he went a pick before us, and we got Nelson. Of course, he's 5'10", so he might not been considered tall enough. I remember a few CB's went before him, including McKelvin for Buffalo, who hasn't done much other than special teams.

Agreed that there's a changing of the guard, both on the Packers and across the league.

[MJZiggy]

Thompson has thrown way too much money at the aging veterans on the team who won't bring much in return for that cash. .

this has got to be the first time this has been uttered on this board (not that I'm disagreeing).

I know. All we've been hearing for years is that TT won't open his wallet for veterans and that he wants to always have the youngest team in the league. Now he catches hell for signing vets...

[ThunderDan]

Thompson has thrown way too much money at the aging veterans on the team who won't bring much in return for that cash. .

this has got to be the first time this has been uttered on this board (not that I'm disagreeing).

I know. All we've been hearing for years is that TT won't open his wallet for veterans and that he wants to always have the youngest team in the league. Now he catches hell for signing vets...

TT is a fucker!! He's trying to ruin the team with rookies and aging veterans. Bastard!!!

[retailguy]

Thompson has thrown way too much money at the aging veterans on the team who won't bring much in return for that cash. .

this has got to be the first time this has been uttered on this board (not that I'm disagreeing).

I know. All we've been hearing for years is that TT won't open his wallet for veterans and that he wants to always have the youngest team in the league. Now he catches hell for signing vets...

Well, this is just slightly out of context. But that really doesn't matter when defending "he who shall not be criticized". Anything goes to make that defense!

[MJZiggy]

Thompson has thrown way too much money at the aging veterans on the team who won't bring much in return for that cash. .

this has got to be the first time this has been uttered on this board (not that I'm disagreeing).

I know. All we've been hearing for years is that TT won't open his wallet for veterans and that he wants to always have the youngest team in the league. Now he catches hell for signing vets...

Well, this is just slightly out of context. But that really doesn't matter when defending "he who shall not be criticized". Anything goes to make that defense!

Explain to me how it's out of context, please...I don't see how other team's vets are different from our vets except that ours already know the system and we already know how they perform in that system. An experienced veteran is an experienced veteran.

[retailguy]

Simple. For years several have been complaining about the lack of free agents coming in here to compete. Now you compare locking up our veterans to the complaints against OTHER TEAMS free agent veterans. Do you really think that's the basis of the complaint?

But, hey, it's ok. Ted could become the next Jeffrey Dahmer and some here would defend him. It's ok, I get it.

In this instance, I don't even agree with Leapers point, but I knew, that not a page would go by before someone would jump in and defend old Ted.

"He who shall not be criticized" MUST be defended, even if we have to do it out of context, because at the end of the day there are ZERO valid reasons to criticize the guy.

[mission]

Simple. For years several have been complaining about the lack of free agents coming in here to compete. Now you compare locking up our veterans to the complaints against OTHER TEAMS free agent veterans. Do you really think that's the basis of the complaint?

But, hey, it's ok. Ted could become the next Jeffrey Dahmer and some here would defend him. It's ok, I get it.

In this instance, I don't even agree with Leapers point, but I knew, that not a page would go by before someone would jump in and defend old Ted.

"He who shall not be criticized" MUST be defended, even if we have to do it out of context, because at the end of the day there are ZERO valid reasons to criticize the guy.

There's no such thing as OTHER TEAMS free agent veterans.

We signed the best FA LT this offseason. That's the only way to it. Sorry.

[retailguy]

Simple. For years several have been complaining about the lack of free agents coming in here to compete. Now you compare locking up our veterans to the complaints against OTHER TEAMS free agent veterans. Do you really think that's the basis of the complaint?

But, hey, it's ok. Ted could become the next Jeffrey Dahmer and some here would defend him. It's ok, I get it.

In this instance, I don't even agree with Leapers point, but I knew, that not a page would go by before someone would jump in and defend old Ted.

"He who shall not be criticized" MUST be defended, even if we have to do it out of context, because at the end of the day there are ZERO valid reasons to criticize the guy.

There's no such thing as OTHER TEAMS free agent veterans.

We signed the best FA LT this offseason. That's the only way to it. Sorry.

Exactly my point.

And I would add that we got the worlds best free agent punter this year too. If you don't believe me, just rewatch his punt from the game in overtime. It was simply MONEY, well for the other team anyhow.

At a critical juncture like that, you CANNOT get better than that!

[Bretsky]

I gave credit to TT for bringing back Tauscher and Clifton; those were great moves. Ditto for Driver and Harris.

But TT is not above criticicm and I'm not going to join in on the general sarcastic tones toward those who question him

[retailguy]

I gave credit to TT for bringing back Tauscher and Clifton; those were great moves. Ditto for Driver and Harris.

But TT is not above criticicm and I'm not going to join in on the general sarcastic tones toward those who question him

That's fine Bretsky, I understand.

I'll gladly return to the back of the bus on this topic, if ANYONE can point to one decision that Ted made that hasn't been defended. Just one.

There is no valid reason to criticize "he who shall not be criticized".

[MJZiggy]

Simple. For years several have been complaining about the lack of free agents coming in here to compete. Now you compare locking up our veterans to the complaints against OTHER TEAMS free agent veterans. Do you really think that's the basis of the complaint?

But, hey, it's ok. Ted could become the next Jeffrey Dahmer and some here would defend him. It's ok, I get it.

In this instance, I don't even agree with Leapers point, but I knew, that not a page would go by before someone would jump in and defend old Ted.

"He who shall not be criticized" MUST be defended, even if we have to do it out of context, because at the end of the day there are ZERO valid reasons to criticize the guy.

There's no such thing as OTHER TEAMS free agent veterans.

We signed the best FA LT this offseason. That's the only way to it. Sorry.

Exactly my point.

And I would add that we got the worlds best free agent punter this year too. If you don't believe me, just rewatch his punt from the game in overtime. It was simply MONEY, well for the other team anyhow.

At a critical juncture like that, you CANNOT get better than that!

Mastay is a seasoned vet? I know all the people TT has resigned were. Nice strawman, but it doesn't change the fact that TT has signed a couple pro bowl vets and NOW he's being criticized for it. Which of the other teams' castoffs was a better CB than Al when he was extended?

[retailguy]

respectfully Zig. You're the one with the strawman here.

[MJZiggy]

respectfully Zig. You're the one with the strawman here.

No I'm not. Our vets are as good or better than other team's castoffs. Our guys are free agents that just never made it to free agency. They are the same players. You can't criticize TT for not signing other teams old players and then criticize him for signing our own older players. Doesn't work. Sorry.