Moss Waived by Vikes!

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Not all that different from the way Michael Jordan was always trying to get the front office to pick up Carolina guys.

The SuperDudes just don't know their limitations. And that's not a good thing.

Yea but Favre is no MJ. If you win me 6 championships you can have any player you want.

Hmmm.....if MJ had ever been called for traveling when he traveled, or charging when he charged--how many championships do you think he'd have??

Uh... the same amount.

You weren't being serious were you? Jordan won championships because he was the best player of his era in a five-player team sport.

[Scott Campbell]

Please keep the LA crap out of the discussion.

That's the elephant in the room on every Viking discussion - till a deal gets done.

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From a purely football standpoint, the move made sense. It just seems the Vikings weren't prepared for what they would do when Moss decided to act like...well, Randy Moss. The successful organization seem have a plan and stick to it. The Vikings just seem to bounce from one crisis to another. Hey! Let's sign Jared Allen! Hey! Let's sign Brett Favre! hey! Let's trade for Randy Moss! Hey! Let's move to L.A.!

Please keep the LA crap out of the discussion. But they did follow a plan and up until this season it has worked. Which of the moves you stated above should they have not done given the results of the last 2 years and the expectations for this year? Had they won this year, none of the issues(crises) would have mattered to anyone.

Kind of. Issues and crisis don't just happen on accident. You can band aid together a team with poor leadership who might perform for awhile but eventually the method of construction creates the environment that fosters crisis.

It's not like they just started losing and people started hating Childress. Sooner or later, doing stupid shit catches up with you. You get away with it for awhile but eventually you get caught.

There's a reason Belicheck gets rid of Moss and he's 6-1. There's a reason Childress picks him up (with a more talented team) and he's 2-5.

[mngolf19]

Please keep the LA crap out of the discussion.

That's the elephant in the room on every Viking discussion - till a deal gets done.

I know, but it's like wishing an injury on someone in my eyes. No matter how deep my Packer hate can go, never would want to face them without their best players or to have them move or close shop. It's part of what makes the game fun. Hated Favre as a Packer but loved the competition of playing against him.

[mraynrand]

The real issue is that he just wasn't getting it done on the field. He was an even worse route runner, and refused to learn the offense.

He looked worse then the Randy Moss in Oakland. He simply was never a fit a west coast offense, and he showed it with his ability on the field, or lack there of it to actually run a route that wasn't a fly pattern, or a deep post.

Add that to the way he treats people, and Childress made the right move. He made the right move bringing him in, the Vikings had to take a shot at him, but he is just a baby without his contract.

I agree with all of that. For as much as I have ragged on Childress in the past, I really respect for the fact that he put his neck on the block on this one because he felt it was right for the team. After reading the article about Moss's treatment of the catering staff, I agree 100% with this move.

Randy Moss is a tool, but I have some empathy with him regarding the catering:

[Lurker64]

I really hope the Vikings don't go to LA. I hope they stay in the Metrodome forever instead.

[Scott Campbell]

Please keep the LA crap out of the discussion.

That's the elephant in the room on every Viking discussion - till a deal gets done.

I know, but it's like wishing an injury on someone in my eyes. No matter how deep my Packer hate can go, never would want to face them without their best players or to have them move or close shop. It's part of what makes the game fun. Hated Favre as a Packer but loved the competition of playing against him.

Well, I wouldn't with it on you. But I wouldn't mind it happening to some of your brethren.

[mngolf19]

From a purely football standpoint, the move made sense. It just seems the Vikings weren't prepared for what they would do when Moss decided to act like...well, Randy Moss. The successful organization seem have a plan and stick to it. The Vikings just seem to bounce from one crisis to another. Hey! Let's sign Jared Allen! Hey! Let's sign Brett Favre! hey! Let's trade for Randy Moss! Hey! Let's move to L.A.!

Please keep the LA crap out of the discussion. But they did follow a plan and up until this season it has worked. Which of the moves you stated above should they have not done given the results of the last 2 years and the expectations for this year? Had they won this year, none of the issues(crises) would have mattered to anyone.

Kind of. Issues and crisis don't just happen on accident. You can band aid together a team with poor leadership who might perform for awhile but eventually the method of construction creates the environment that fosters crisis.

It's not like they just started losing and people started hating Childress. Sooner or later, doing stupid shit catches up with you. You get away with it for awhile but eventually you get caught.

There's a reason Belicheck gets rid of Moss and he's 6-1. There's a reason Childress picks him up (with a more talented team) and he's 2-5.

Yeah but what was Childress's record when he picked him up. 1-3? With WR being the glaring weakness of this team at the time. It was worth the risk, they weren't going to bring him back next year anyway and therefore the long term wouldn't have happened.

[gbgary]

I just have to laugh at this whole mess due to the fact that there were so many Favre/Anti-TT fans that wanted this exact situation to arise in GB. What a f'in joke. Thank God for a GM with a brain on his shoulders that saw better.

Now you can see just exactly what happens when you let a player (Bert) dictate to the team how he will do things and the people he wants to do it with (not talking about Jenn here....).

This would have been our little circus if they would have caved to Bert.

i didn't want tt to go get moss back in the day but i did want him to make a move for a running back this year when grant went down. i still would like him to make a move but it's near impossible now. he's been a good gm as a whole but sometimes his inaction is infuriating/bewildering.

[mngolf19]

Please keep the LA crap out of the discussion.

That's the elephant in the room on every Viking discussion - till a deal gets done.

I know, but it's like wishing an injury on someone in my eyes. No matter how deep my Packer hate can go, never would want to face them without their best players or to have them move or close shop. It's part of what makes the game fun. Hated Favre as a Packer but loved the competition of playing against him.

Well, I wouldn't with it on you. But I wouldn't mind it happening to some of your brethren.

For those being quoted on here from Viking message boards, I'll fully support you on that.

[mraynrand]

I just have to laugh at this whole mess due to the fact that there were so many Favre/Anti-TT fans that wanted this exact situation to arise in GB. What a f'in joke. Thank God for a GM with a brain on his shoulders that saw better.

Now you can see just exactly what happens when you let a player (Bert) dictate to the team how he will do things and the people he wants to do it with (not talking about Jenn here....).

This would have been our little circus if they would have caved to Bert.

i didn't want tt to go get moss back in the day but i did want him to make a move for a running back this year when grant went down. i still would like him to make a move but it's near impossible now. he's been a good gm as a whole but sometimes his inaction is infuriating/bewildering.

Sometimes nothing can be a very cool hand!

[gbgary]

I just have to laugh at this whole mess due to the fact that there were so many Favre/Anti-TT fans that wanted this exact situation to arise in GB. What a f'in joke. Thank God for a GM with a brain on his shoulders that saw better.

Now you can see just exactly what happens when you let a player (Bert) dictate to the team how he will do things and the people he wants to do it with (not talking about Jenn here....).

This would have been our little circus if they would have caved to Bert.

i didn't want tt to go get moss back in the day but i did want him to make a move for a running back this year when grant went down. i still would like him to make a move but it's near impossible now. he's been a good gm as a whole but sometimes his inaction is infuriating/bewildering.

Sometimes nothing can be a very cool hand!

lol

[hoosier]

From a purely football standpoint, the move made sense. It just seems the Vikings weren't prepared for what they would do when Moss decided to act like...well, Randy Moss. The successful organization seem have a plan and stick to it. The Vikings just seem to bounce from one crisis to another. Hey! Let's sign Jared Allen! Hey! Let's sign Brett Favre! hey! Let's trade for Randy Moss! Hey! Let's move to L.A.!

Please keep the LA crap out of the discussion. But they did follow a plan and up until this season it has worked. Which of the moves you stated above should they have not done given the results of the last 2 years and the expectations for this year? Had they won this year, none of the issues(crises) would have mattered to anyone.

I see your point with Allen. With Favre and Moss, however, I think Joe has a major point. Before Favre the Vikings major strengths were the offensive and defensive lines and running back. They really didn't need a gun slinger at QB when a good game manager would have been sufficient, and sure enough, the gun slinger stuck it to them at just the wrong (right) moment. If instead of signing Favre they had gone out and signed the 2008 version of Kerry Collins (or stuck with Rosenfelds and emphasized game management with him) I expect they would have won the NFCN and made it to the NFCCG as well. Who knows if a ball control and defense-oriented Vikings team beats that charmed Saints team, but I bet they wouldn't have done any worse. You could argue that Moss was a desperation move made by a team that began the season with Super Bowl aspirations but then found itself on the verge of going down the toilet after the first quarter of the season. But why did things get to that point to begin with? Largely because Allen (together with the rest of the DL) and Favre have not come close to reproducing prior successes. And that is one of the risks that come with relying on big name acquisitions.

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From a purely football standpoint, the move made sense. It just seems the Vikings weren't prepared for what they would do when Moss decided to act like...well, Randy Moss. The successful organization seem have a plan and stick to it. The Vikings just seem to bounce from one crisis to another. Hey! Let's sign Jared Allen! Hey! Let's sign Brett Favre! hey! Let's trade for Randy Moss! Hey! Let's move to L.A.!

Please keep the LA crap out of the discussion. But they did follow a plan and up until this season it has worked. Which of the moves you stated above should they have not done given the results of the last 2 years and the expectations for this year? Had they won this year, none of the issues(crises) would have mattered to anyone.

Kind of. Issues and crisis don't just happen on accident. You can band aid together a team with poor leadership who might perform for awhile but eventually the method of construction creates the environment that fosters crisis.

It's not like they just started losing and people started hating Childress. Sooner or later, doing stupid shit catches up with you. You get away with it for awhile but eventually you get caught.

There's a reason Belicheck gets rid of Moss and he's 6-1. There's a reason Childress picks him up (with a more talented team) and he's 2-5.

Yeah but what was Childress's record when he picked him up. 1-3? With WR being the glaring weakness of this team at the time. It was worth the risk, they weren't going to bring him back next year anyway and therefore the long term wouldn't have happened.

Right but a third-round pick *is* long term... even though I can't see Childress considering that in his decision making process given his lack of job security.

This all started in the playoffs last year and then started again with the Favre stuff and then having a different set of standards when AP wanted to go to his parade in Texas. It's just a culmination of a series of decisions which has forced his team to completely lose confidence in the direction of the team. Desperation moves send the wrong message to everyone.

1-3 is not time to sell the farm. There are going to be waiver-priority teams that completely pass on the "opportunity" to sign Moss (for no draft pick) while the Vikings gave up a 3rd round draft pick for him. Tell me how two teams could have such a huge variance in value of one player.

That right there is the difference between a perennial contender and a team that lucked into (drafting) Adrian Peterson and a magic season w/Brett Favre. Take the two away and there's absolutely nothing anyone can point to as proof of a properly ran organization.

[mraynrand]

From a purely football standpoint, the move made sense. It just seems the Vikings weren't prepared for what they would do when Moss decided to act like...well, Randy Moss. The successful organization seem have a plan and stick to it. The Vikings just seem to bounce from one crisis to another. Hey! Let's sign Jared Allen! Hey! Let's sign Brett Favre! hey! Let's trade for Randy Moss! Hey! Let's move to L.A.!

Please keep the LA crap out of the discussion. But they did follow a plan and up until this season it has worked. Which of the moves you stated above should they have not done given the results of the last 2 years and the expectations for this year? Had they won this year, none of the issues(crises) would have mattered to anyone.

I see your point with Allen. With Favre and Moss, however, I think Joe has a major point. Before Favre the Vikings major strengths were the offensive and defensive lines and running back. They really didn't need a gun slinger at QB when a good game manager would have been sufficient, and sure enough, the gun slinger stuck it to them at just the wrong (right) moment. If instead of signing Favre they had gone out and signed the 2008 version of Kerry Collins (or stuck with Rosenfelds and emphasized game management with him) I expect they would have won the NFCN and made it to the NFCCG as well. Who knows if a ball control and defense-oriented Vikings team beats that charmed Saints team, but I bet they wouldn't have done any worse. You could argue that Moss was a desperation move made by a team that began the season with Super Bowl aspirations but then found itself on the verge of going down the toilet after the first quarter of the season. But why did things get to that point to begin with? Largely because Allen (together with the rest of the DL) and Favre have not come close to reproducing prior successes. And that is one of the risks that come with relying on big name acquisitions.

I disagree about Favre and Allen LAST YEAR. Look, you could imagine getting a QB a bit better than TJack in there and perhaps getting to the NFCC game, but you have to look at what Favre did. It wasn't just a good year for Favre, or a good year for a QB, it was possibly Favre's best year EVER at QB. Maybe with game manager they make the playoff and get bounced in the first round. Favre made teams look silly blitzing him all last year. he was totally on his game. This year is a different story, but last year, if the Vikings (yes, most of them, Peterson and Favre included) hadn't imploded in the NFCC game (like they usually do!) - they might have won it all.