Finley Has Emergency Surgery Due To Infection

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this is kind of what basically ended lecharles bently

guy was the best center in the nfl. went to cleveland, got hurt in the first practice and then i think he got a staph infection for the routine surgery, so they went back in and cleaned it up, and then i think he got it again

if i remember right he almost lost his damn leg and ended up retiring because of it

[mraynrand]

Fucking worthless orthopod. You should NEVER get an infection on a surgery like that. Time for a new team doc. Geezus, send these guys to some decent surgeons. There are some good docs at the U in Madison. Unforgivable.

This is a more frequent outcome in sports lately (the Browns had huge trouble with the Cleveland Clinic and staph infections, Peyton Manning had an infection after knee surgery). Is it the doctors or the facility?

I think it's the docs. The Cleveland Clinic has this great name, but Ortho isn't their deal, especially the kind of trauma that Winslow had for example. They should have shipped him to the level 1 trauma center in Cleveland, MetroHealth. No staph infections there. (The papers are still reporting this as though there is some sort of 'staph infection' at the Brown's facility - note to paper - everyone has staph on their skin....). In the case of Finley, it wasn't as though he had an open wound - the infection came following surgery that opened him up. Now, to be fair, Finley could have mucked it up, fooling around with dressings, etc. - sometimes patients do all sorts of crazy stuff when they get surgery and we all know Finley is a bit, shall we say, unique...

On the skin, that rings a bell. And that would be one reason to paint you with iodine before cutting?

But what about after the procedure? Is it just the dressing to protect the wound or do they apply other barriers?

It's pretty basic. If they drive around in there with a scope, they basically punch four five holes around the knee and insert the tools through the holes. Then they fix stuff and remove. If you're careful, no infection - then you can basically tape the holes shut. But Finley has to leave 'em alone too. The clinic just has a bad recent track record. Bad luck or bad medicine? Sometimes it's hard to distinguish, but there are cases (like Winslow) where they are doing stuff they rarely see. I'll tell you this - wherever you live, identify the level 1 trauma center, and if you or a loved one gets crunched, beg them to take you there right away. Often times, these are the county or metro hospitals and might look like hell from the outside, but the best surgeons for trauma are often there. If you're near Madison, get to the University hospitals. You have a much better chance of getting the care you need than at the high falutin' private hospitals.

[denverYooper]

Fucking worthless orthopod. You should NEVER get an infection on a surgery like that. Time for a new team doc. Geezus, send these guys to some decent surgeons. There are some good docs at the U in Madison. Unforgivable.

This is a more frequent outcome in sports lately (the Browns had huge trouble with the Cleveland Clinic and staph infections, Peyton Manning had an infection after knee surgery). Is it the doctors or the facility?

I think it's the docs. The Cleveland Clinic has this great name, but Ortho isn't their deal, especially the kind of trauma that Winslow had for example. They should have shipped him to the level 1 trauma center in Cleveland, MetroHealth. No staph infections there. (The papers are still reporting this as though there is some sort of 'staph infection' at the Brown's facility - note to paper - everyone has staph on their skin....). In the case of Finley, it wasn't as though he had an open wound - the infection came following surgery that opened him up. Now, to be fair, Finley could have mucked it up, fooling around with dressings, etc. - sometimes patients do all sorts of crazy stuff when they get surgery and we all know Finley is a bit, shall we say, unique...

I think both play a roll. I know that according to my research the facilities in India have better outcomes and lower incidents of staph infection than facilities in america. Medical Tourism baby...the cure for obamacare.

You realize that India has a universal health care system, right? And that their taxpayer-funded government facilities are those with great outcomes.

[mraynrand]

India's a complex situation D-yoop, but better leave that for FYI...

[mmmdk]

Fucking worthless orthopod. You should NEVER get an infection on a surgery like that. Time for a new team doc. Geezus, send these guys to some decent surgeons. There are some good docs at the U in Madison. Unforgivable.

Where do you want to start [about reasons for infections that shouldn't have happened] ?:

In the US it’s estimated that 50 million of the 250 million prescriptions issued for antibiotics each year are unnecessary. Which leads to extremophile bacteria and you have to get tougher and tougher in your treatment of the infection. Which again leads to more resilient bacteria and more use of antibiotics. Personally I believe those stats are "kind" to a harsher reality.

The doctor can wash his instruments and hands from here to eternity - your're still going to be infected with the more resilient bacteria that beats any hospitals attempts to create an antiseptic environment.

Misuse and abuse of antibiotics is a huge problem in the western world - it's getting out of control in some countries/hospitals. I know, because I work as a nurse at various hospitals.

Also, the misuse and abuse of antibiotics in animals is a factor.

Lastly, the doctor, nurse or room prep personel might have been sloppy.

Hope it sheds light on the matter.




Also,

[mraynrand]

Fucking worthless orthopod. You should NEVER get an infection on a surgery like that. Time for a new team doc. Geezus, send these guys to some decent surgeons. There are some good docs at the U in Madison. Unforgivable.

Where do you want to start [about reasons for infections that shouldn't have happened]:

In the US it’s estimated that 50 million of the 250 million prescriptions issued for antibiotics each year are unnecessary. Which leads to extremophile bacteria and you have to get tougher and tougher in your treatment of the infection. Which again leads to more resilient bacteria and more use of antibiotics. Personally I believe those stats are "kind" to a harsher reality.

The doctor can wash his instruments and hands from here to eternity - your're still going to be infected with the more resilient bacteria that beats any hospitals attempts to create an antiseptic environment.

Misuse and abuse of antibiotics is a huge problem in the western world - it's getting out of control in some countries/hospitals. I know, because I work as a nurse at various hospitals.

Also, the misuse and abuse of antibiotics in animals is a factor.

Lastly, the doctor, nurse or room prep personel might have been sloppy.

Hope it sheds light on the matter.




Also,

You're rigt about the misuse of antibiotics. Lots of older folks are getting antibiotics for all sorts of shit they don't need and then getting c. dificil because their guts are completely cleaned out of good bacteria.

But, the surgeons actually CAN control infections by proper technique. Prevent the infection in the first place, and you don't have to worry about antibiotic resistance. This applies mostly to procedures where the wound is initially closed. When open wounds come in, it's a whole different ballgame. Sometimes people come in with grass, road, metal, fabric, bone, and the rest of their intestines mushed around inside their wounds. Can get septic as hell, even if you are a real stickler for cleaning stuff out.

Finley's wound/injury was closed to begin with - no excuse for infection. At all.

[Patler]

Finley's wound/injury was closed to begin with - no excuse for infection. At all.

Maybe not, but also might not be the Dr. or hospital's fault either, even if the infection arose at the surgical site. Aren't most of the "tools" used now pre-packaged, presumed-to-be-sterile, disposable products? If these are not sterile in the package, the Dr. or hospital would not know, and certainly is not at fault.

[mmmdk]

Fucking worthless orthopod. You should NEVER get an infection on a surgery like that. Time for a new team doc. Geezus, send these guys to some decent surgeons. There are some good docs at the U in Madison. Unforgivable.

Where do you want to start [about reasons for infections that shouldn't have happened]:

In the US it’s estimated that 50 million of the 250 million prescriptions issued for antibiotics each year are unnecessary. Which leads to extremophile bacteria and you have to get tougher and tougher in your treatment of the infection. Which again leads to more resilient bacteria and more use of antibiotics. Personally I believe those stats are "kind" to a harsher reality.

The doctor can wash his instruments and hands from here to eternity - your're still going to be infected with the more resilient bacteria that beats any hospitals attempts to create an antiseptic environment.

Misuse and abuse of antibiotics is a huge problem in the western world - it's getting out of control in some countries/hospitals. I know, because I work as a nurse at various hospitals.

Also, the misuse and abuse of antibiotics in animals is a factor.

Lastly, the doctor, nurse or room prep personel might have been sloppy.

Hope it sheds light on the matter.




Also,

You're rigt about the misuse of antibiotics. Lots of older folks are getting antibiotics for all sorts of shit they don't need and then getting c. dificil because their guts are completely cleaned out of good bacteria.

But, the surgeons actually CAN control infections by proper technique. Prevent the infection in the first place, and you don't have to worry about antibiotic resistance. This applies mostly to procedures where the wound is initially closed. When open wounds come in, it's a whole different ballgame. Sometimes people come in with grass, road, metal, fabric, bone, and the rest of their intestines mushed around inside their wounds. Can get septic as hell, even if you are a real stickler for cleaning stuff out.

Finley's wound/injury was closed to begin with - no excuse for infection. At all.

Sounds like sloppiness is plausible yet even benign bacteria is getting more resistant. So you're right, in 90-99% of the these cases [benign bacteria] it's all about technique and following surgical procedures.

But do we know it's benign? I hope it is, for Finley and Packers.

[RashanGary]

this is kind of what basically ended lecharles bently

guy was the best center in the nfl. went to cleveland, got hurt in the first practice and then i think he got a staph infection for the routine surgery, so they went back in and cleaned it up, and then i think he got it again

if i remember right he almost lost his damn leg and ended up retiring because of it

Lecharles Bentley was never the best center in football. He made two probowls and was available at a time when we badly needed OL help. During that spring, to Packer fans, he was the best center in football.

[mraynrand]

Finley's wound/injury was closed to begin with - no excuse for infection. At all.

Maybe not, but also might not be the Dr. or hospital's fault either, even if the infection arose at the surgical site. Aren't most of the "tools" used now pre-packaged, presumed-to-be-sterile, disposable products? If these are not sterile in the package, the Dr. or hospital would not know, and certainly is not at fault.

Sure there's a chance it's sterilization error - a lot of the stuff is one-time use, but the central tools in the trays get re-used. And like I said, it could easily be Finley messing around. Hope he recovers quickly so we can hear more about his next take out order on Youtube.

[Guiness]

I don't think it's cut and dry if it's the facility, the doctors, the prep staff, etc. But it certainly is a lot more 'difficile' to get the bugs out these days.

Remember Walkerton? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walkerton_Tragedy

I happen to live close by there, and have some first hand experience with the people involved. Certainly a lot of mistakes were made, and the situation was probably avoidable, but the truth is the E-coli in the water system didn't 'die' like it had in the past. The guys who ran the water system did what they'd been taught, and how they'd been doing it for a couple of decades. Bumping up the chlorine didn't clean it out. They found this strain of e-coli could live in treated water!

A lot of people felt the reason was because cattle is routinely administered antibiotics, and the bacteria had built up a resistance.

[mmmdk]

Finley's wound/injury was closed to begin with - no excuse for infection. At all.

Maybe not, but also might not be the Dr. or hospital's fault either, even if the infection arose at the surgical site. Aren't most of the "tools" used now pre-packaged, presumed-to-be-sterile, disposable products? If these are not sterile in the package, the Dr. or hospital would not know, and certainly is not at fault.

Sure there's a chance it's sterilization error - a lot of the stuff is one-time use, but the central tools in the trays get re-used. And like I said, it could easily be Finley messing around. Hope he recovers quickly so we can hear more about his next take out order on Youtube.

Thumbs up, Patler

[mraynrand]

Finley's wound/injury was closed to begin with - no excuse for infection. At all.

Maybe not, but also might not be the Dr. or hospital's fault either, even if the infection arose at the surgical site. Aren't most of the "tools" used now pre-packaged, presumed-to-be-sterile, disposable products? If these are not sterile in the package, the Dr. or hospital would not know, and certainly is not at fault.

Sure there's a chance it's sterilization error - a lot of the stuff is one-time use, but the central tools in the trays get re-used. And like I said, it could easily be Finley messing around. Hope he recovers quickly so we can hear more about his next take out order on Youtube.

Thumbs up, Patler

[swede]

Finley's wound/injury was closed to begin with - no excuse for infection. At all.

Maybe not, but also might not be the Dr. or hospital's fault either, even if the infection arose at the surgical site. Aren't most of the "tools" used now pre-packaged, presumed-to-be-sterile, disposable products? If these are not sterile in the package, the Dr. or hospital would not know, and certainly is not at fault.

Sure there's a chance it's sterilization error - a lot of the stuff is one-time use, but the central tools in the trays get re-used. And like I said, it could easily be Finley messing around. Hope he recovers quickly so we can hear more about his next take out order on Youtube.

Thumbs up, Patler

I think he was suggesting that Finley had his thumbs up Patler, spreading the infection through secondary contact with the surgical wound.

[mraynrand]

Finley's wound/injury was closed to begin with - no excuse for infection. At all.

Maybe not, but also might not be the Dr. or hospital's fault either, even if the infection arose at the surgical site. Aren't most of the "tools" used now pre-packaged, presumed-to-be-sterile, disposable products? If these are not sterile in the package, the Dr. or hospital would not know, and certainly is not at fault.

Sure there's a chance it's sterilization error - a lot of the stuff is one-time use, but the central tools in the trays get re-used. And like I said, it could easily be Finley messing around. Hope he recovers quickly so we can hear more about his next take out order on Youtube.

Thumbs up, Patler

I think he was suggesting that Finley had his thumbs up Patler, spreading the infection through secondary contact with the surgical wound.

I don't think Finley can put that on Youtube