ARod underrated

[Bretsky]

HAVE TO AGREE WITH SUPERFAN
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Most of us in here considered AROD hands down a top 5 QB right now but I don't think his stats would say he is at this point year to date

So we have overrated him

But many of us play Fantasy Football so maybe that effects our viewpoints as well. AROD was rated the top QB and no worse than 3rd by nearly every publication.

[HarveyWallbangers]

In the previous two years, I think Rodgers numbers were a bit better than he played. This year, I think he's played a bit better than his numbers.

[packerbacker1234]

In the previous two years, I think Rodgers numbers were a bit better than he played. This year, I think he's played a bit better than his numbers.

How has he played better than his numbers? Last I checked, scoring TD's has become a rarity for this offense.

[mraynrand]

In the previous two years, I think Rodgers numbers were a bit better than he played. This year, I think he's played a bit better than his numbers.

How has he played better than his numbers? Last I checked, scoring TD's has become a rarity for this offense.

So have tight ends

[HarveyWallbangers]

In the previous two years, I think Rodgers numbers were a bit better than he played. This year, I think he's played a bit better than his numbers.

How has he played better than his numbers? Last I checked, scoring TD's has become a rarity for this offense.

He's played winning football. He's had some bad breaks on some of his picks. He's taken fewer sacks. He hasn't fumbled much. Look at the talent on this offense. It isn't close to what it was last year. Grant out all year. Finley out for most of the year. Driver hampered. Jones and Nelson inconsistent. OL inconsistent. He's played winning football--a hell of a lot better than the other QBs in the division, that's for sure.

[pbmax]

In the previous two years, I think Rodgers numbers were a bit better than he played. This year, I think he's played a bit better than his numbers.

How has he played better than his numbers? Last I checked, scoring TD's has become a rarity for this offense.

He's played winning football. He's had some bad breaks on some of his picks. He's taken fewer sacks. He hasn't fumbled much. Look at the talent on this offense. It isn't close to what it was last year. Grant out all year. Finley out for most of the year. Driver hampered. Jones and Nelson inconsistent. OL inconsistent. He's played winning football--a hell of a lot better than the other QBs in the division, that's for sure.

I do fault Rodgers in two areas. His INTs are up. McCarthy picked the wrong year to encourage more risk taking given the injuries. I think the Jets game showed they may be about to adjust that.

And throwing to the long routes on 3rd and short. Get some first downs, cross (or at least get to) midfield then take a shot.

Ideally, it would happen in the 2nd and 3rd quarter.

[ThunderDan]

In the previous two years, I think Rodgers numbers were a bit better than he played. This year, I think he's played a bit better than his numbers.

How has he played better than his numbers? Last I checked, scoring TD's has become a rarity for this offense.

Holy Christmas! In 2008 when Rodgers was putting up huge numbers people were running him down because he couldn't win. For the first half of 2009 the same thing happens and people went crazy after the Tampa game.

Now in 2010 his stat line isn't as good but the Pack is 5-3 and now ARod doesn't have the numbers and people are bashing him! I am sick of this crap.

Pick an argument people!! He either sucks because he doesn't win or he sucks because his stat line isn't good.

[Bretsky]

Rodgers does not suck; I just don't think he can be considered to be playing at the elite status right now that we thought he'd be this year. Obviously there are several reasons that is occuring, some due to loss of talent on the offensive side but some of it is his own doing.

Maybe Brady and Manning might be the only two there and everybody else is a step below.

I think in the offseason many would have put Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers in about the same category.

Rodgers still IMO is certainly a top 10 QB. Whether he's 3,4, or 9 is what is debateable.

Still dam good

[HarveyWallbangers]

Agreed, Bretsky. He's not playing at elite level, but he's still a top 10 QB. Just kind of strange how many QBs have fallen off. It wasn't really fair to compare ARod to Manning, Brady, and Brees yet. I don't think I ever put him in that category. I thought he was in the next tier with potential to join those other guys (really, that would take a great team effort and playoff success).

[packerbacker1234]

For starters, I never said rodgers sucks. I could care less if the guy throws 30 picks in 8 games as long as we are still putting points on the board. I didn't hate on Rodgers too much in 2008, he just needed a signature game ending drive to win, and he got that last year. Sure he had some nice kate game drives, but left the other team way too much time and with our poor defensive play that year...


ANyways, I like Rodgers a lot. That doesn't change the fact our offense is "below average" so far this year largely due to his play. I'm not saying it's all on him, but a lot of it is. AR's job is to have this offense put points on the board. THat isn't happening with the exact same personael he had last season.

Yes, his numbers are down - FORGET the stats. I look at offensive points scored a game and see a massive drop off, very similar to the massive drop off the vikings have this year. We are 5-3 because our defense has been playing like an elite defense. Offense has been.... not very gopod. That does rest on Rodgers.

[vince]

Rodgers does not suck; I just don't think he can be considered to be playing at the elite status right now that we thought he'd be this year. Obviously there are several reasons that is occuring, some due to loss of talent on the offensive side but some of it is his own doing.

Maybe Brady and Manning might be the only two there and everybody else is a step below.

I think in the offseason many would have put Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers in about the same category.

Rodgers still IMO is certainly a top 10 QB. Whether he's 3,4, or 9 is what is debateable.

Still dam good

I think this is right. I also think Rodgers would agree with this. His talent is right up there with the elite, and not having Finley makes the job tougher, but he has said repeatedly that the offensive production starts with him. He openly acknowledges he needs to play better, and he can play better.

[denverYooper]

Rodgers does not suck; I just don't think he can be considered to be playing at the elite status right now that we thought he'd be this year. Obviously there are several reasons that is occurring, some due to loss of talent on the offensive side but some of it is his own doing.

Maybe Brady and Manning might be the only two there and everybody else is a step below.

I think in the offseason many would have put Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers in about the same category.

Rodgers still IMO is certainly a top 10 QB. Whether he's 3,4, or 9 is what is debateable.

Still dam good

I agree with all of that. Especially the part abt expecting Rodgers to pop into that elite echelon this year. Manning and Brady are there, no doubt. While they also looked good early on, it took them 5-6 full years to get up to true elite status, IMO. Interestingly, each of them blew up (according to rating) their 7th year. Brady benefited early by playing safe ball on the B side of a very good early 2k defense and a good O line.

QB Rate for first 7 full years:
Brady: 86.5, 85.7, 85.9, 92.6, 92.3, 87.9, 117.2 (2007)
Manning: 71.2, 90.7, 94.7, 84.1, 88.8, 99.0, 121.1 (2004)
Rodgers: 93.8, 103.3, 85.3 (2010 so far)

I think the only thing that separates Rodgers from elite status at this point is time. There's no guarantee that he'll take that step but I like his chances.