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  • Cliff Christl: FRIDAY Camp Report, Aug. 4, 2006, 7:13 p.m.

    Brett gets a thumbs down.

    Cliff Christl:
    Packer Insider

    FRIDAY, Aug. 4, 2006, 7:13 p.m.
    Camp Report, Aug. 4

    THUMBS UP

    If there’s one position where the Packers can feel better about their depth now than when they started training camp eight days ago, it’s probably cornerback. Third-year men Ahmad Carroll and Jason Horton, and second-year man Mike Hawkins all seem to be improved over a year ago. They get beat here and there, but they’re seldom getting flat-out burned and they’ve been even more noticeable for making plays on the ball.

    Let’s let Kurt Schottenheimer, secondary coach, give his assessment. “Ahmad is really becoming a good player,” he said. “He takes more reps than anybody and he’s competing all the time. Jason Horton is such a good athlete. He’s had some injuries, but you see him out here. He has excellent ball skills, very good anticipation, good instincts. He just needs to be consistent. I think he’s going to be a player like Al Harris in time. Mike Hawkins, we’ve been extremely pleased with, particularly the first three days of this camp and the last two. He’s getting his hands on balls. Technique getting better. You can tell he’s a kid who has a lot of confidence, but just lacks experience.”

    A year ago, Hawkins was so raw, but such an exceptional athlete, it was almost like a freak show. Now, he’s starting to look like a football player. “We’re deep,” said Schottenheimer. And there might not be another position where depth is more important.

    THUMBS DOWN

    It’s maybe nothing to be alarmed about at this point. He’s working with new receivers and they don’t have their timing down pat. He also still makes some throws that might look routine for him, but that other quarterbacks couldn’t make. A prime example was a strike he threw down the middle to tight end Tory Humphrey in a team period Friday. He also hit rookie wide receiver Greg Jennings on a 40-yard strike in another team drill.

    But Brett Favre hasn’t had one of those days yet where he’s been on fire and nothing hits the ground. And that’s unusual eight days into training camp. Friday might have been Favre’s best practice yet, so maybe this is an ill-timed thumbs down. He completed 7 of 9 in 11-on-11 and 9 of 14 in 7-on-7, but there were a fair share of short tosses to backs and tight ends that make those numbers somewhat misleading.

    Here’s Favre’s stats in team and 7-on-7 periods for the entire camp: 114 completions in 211 attempts, or 54%, with nine interceptions. Favre’s lowest completion percentage in 14 years with the Packers is 57.3 in 1999. Is Favre in a sharper decline at age 36 than maybe most people think? Until he has one of those days where he wows everybody again on the practice field, it’s a question that begs to be asked.

    INJURY REPORT

    Guard William Whitticker (hamstring), cornerback Charles Woodson (hip) and Hawkins (knee) dropped out of practice late.

    Cornerback Al Harris and tight end Zac Alcorn returned to practice.

    Rookie wide receiver Leo Bookman, who missed five practices earlier, was out again with an ankle injury. Bubba Franks (knee), Chad Clifton (knee), Najeh Davenport (calf), Arliss Beach (head) and Patrick Dendy (ankle) remained sideline.

    ODDS & ENDS

    Punting from their own three-yard line with a slight breeze at their backs, Jon Ryan averaged 58.8 yards and B.J. Sander 50 yards on six punts each.

    Despite coming out and getting extra work before practice catching punts from a Jugs machine, Cory Rodgers dropped two more and Greg Jennings also bungled two.

    Rookie receiver Chris Francies made a nice catch of a high Aaron Rodgers’ pass on a slant pattern in seven-on-seven. … Backs Samkon Gado and A.J. Cooper both beat linebacker A.J. Hawk to make catches across the middle, also in seven-on-seven.

    Rookie running back Ben Brown dropped another easy pass.

    ON THIS DAY

    Aug. 5, 1977 – The Packers announced the hiring of Pete Marasco as assistant director of player personnel. Marasco, 38, was scouting coordinator for the New York Jets for the past two years. Marasco and his brother, Carl, gained notoriety as two of the first draftniks, annually compiling the Marasco Ratings of the top college football prospects. Their list was published annually by Pro Football Weekly.

    SCHEDULE SATURDAY

    The Packers’ annual Family Night scrimmage will be held in Lambeau Field. The players will take the field at 6:30 p.m. and the scrimmage will start at 7:30. The event is sold out.

  • #2
    So is Christl taking training camp statistics seriously?
    "I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael Finley

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    • #3
      I really like carroll now. Next year I think him and woodson start.
      Draft Brandin Cooks WR OSU!

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      • #4
        NEXT YEAR???????

        Carroll is gonna be starting sometime this season if not when the season starts.

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        • #5
          only if it's by injury
          TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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          • #6
            I like to read Chrisl's reports, but sometimes he bashes someone or some unit on one day and praises them the next day. People have good days and bad days, I'll wait to watch the games to make up my mind about who can play and who stinks.

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            • #7
              MrAynRand camp notes:

              SERIOUS WORRIES
              Chad Clifton - you know, veteran O-linemen (and D-linemen to some degree) are notorious for having 'nagging injuries' that kep them out of camp. Some guys even 'retired' every year to get out of practicing in the stifling heat. But with a new coach and system, you kinda get the sense that Clifton would be out there getting his reps. With marginal tackle Barry out and serviceable tackle Klemm out (remember his fine work in the Carolina game last year), I get the shivers thinking about the instability at this spot. Junius Coston is working out here, I take it, but that sounds a little desperate. Is there a Wilkerson to be found on the NFL scrap heap by the highly effective Pro-personnel department?

              Brett Favre - I don't care what people write abot Favre in camp. THere's no doubt in my mind that Favre is just a good 'ole southern boy with exceptional physical attributes for football and a Champion's drive to compete and win. But truth be told - he's not got a lot og grey matter in the brain case to spare. You can see Favre's eyes sort of glaze over when McCarthy starts talking technical, just like in those classic reels with Holmgren grilling Favre in the film room. Everyone knows in the back of their mind that Favre's skills must diminish at some point. If you're like me, you don't want to see it happen while he's still playing. But here's hoping that the problems Favre seems to be having in training camp are all of the "do I really have to go to school?" variety and not "I've lost the missile launcher arm" variety. I'm just a bit nervous that it might be the latter.

              Charles Woodson - What if Carroll is better and beats out Woodson for starting cornerback? From my perspective, this would be great. Having Woodson as a nickle back and/or as a possibility for safety with an emerging Carroll would seem to be the absolute best thing that could happen. But could Woodson stomach it? Would he become a team cancer? Stay tuned.
              "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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              • #8
                This is all getting to be a bit much. First it was the OTAs with who was there and who wasn't, how guys were performing in walk through practices.

                Now we have reporters actually keeping a running stat on completed passes during 7 on 7 drills!

                As fans and media I think we have all stepped outside reality. I am going back to my Star Wars Comic book for a while.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MadtownPacker
                  NEXT YEAR???????

                  Carroll is gonna be starting sometime this season if not when the season starts.

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                  • #10
                    Hands down you always come up with awesome pics; do you have a 500GB Hard Drive with about 10,000 pictures stored for every occasion ?
                    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mraynrand
                      Charles Woodson - What if Carroll is better and beats out Woodson for starting cornerback? From my perspective, this would be great. Having Woodson as a nickle back and/or as a possibility for safety with an emerging Carroll would seem to be the absolute best thing that could happen. But could Woodson stomach it? Would he become a team cancer? Stay tuned.
                      This raises an interesting question. If Woodson does get beat out, would we cut him with Horton and Hawkins looking this good. Charles didn't get much of a signing bonus, and we'd save a ton of money by cutting him before the season started. But what the heck would we do with it? Can you really carry that much money forward?

                      I look forward to all your replies. Especially Patler's.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bretsky
                        Hands down you always come up with awesome pics; do you have a 500GB Hard Drive with about 10,000 pictures stored for every occasion ?
                        Google images.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bretsky
                          Hands down you always come up with awesome pics; do you have a 500GB Hard Drive with about 10,000 pictures stored for every occasion ?
                          Naw ... all the pics on my hard drive are for a single purpose ...

                          I just do Image searches on yahoo.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Scott Campbell

                            This raises an interesting question. If Woodson does get beat out, would we cut him with Horton and Hawkins looking this good. Charles didn't get much of a signing bonus, and we'd save a ton of money by cutting him before the season started. But what the heck would we do with it? Can you really carry that much money forward?

                            I look forward to all your replies. Especially Patler's.
                            I don't know the answer for sure, but I'm going to guess because if I'm wrong Patler will correct me in about five seconds with six paragraphs of detailed budget information. I anticipate a multi-paged, self-referential, custom-made capology Excel file.

                            Anyway, if Woodson is cut, his signing bonus will all count right away. That's my guess.
                            "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                            • #15
                              I'm glad I'm not the only one who shook my head at the passing "stats" kept by Christl. Does he also keep receiving yards totals for the receivers? Seems to me like he's trying a bit too hard to find something to write.
                              Doughnuts, is there anything they can't do?

                              Formerly known as Pack4ever

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