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Also, generally speaking, a general manager should build a team with a long term view. As in "I want to make the personnel decisions that are best for this team not just this year, but the next year, and for years after that"... generally speaking talented 26 year old QBs are a lot better to have than talented 40 year old QBs.
Be nice to the BF trolls....on second thought...Nah, don't be!
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Rodgers was the right choice because, in the Vikings, we'll see how a team will get hamstrung mortgaging the future to win now.
My brother and several other friends are Favre do or die. Big deal! Favre showed his big play ability in the NFCC vs. the Giants. He can make a big play, but he has a bigger than avg propensity to make a BONEHEAD pick. Case in point the NFCC vs. NYG and the Queens NFCC vs. NO.
After each win, Favre was 'great' this year. After every loss, Ed Werder would bring the latest in the laundry list of Favre's so-called latest injury.
Today's Vikings vs. Packers game will probably not be the last NFL game Brett Favre plays. It should be, though, because at this point, Favre can't do anything for the Vikings franchise other than continue to pilot their dizzying plunge into a foul pit of football sewage.
The Vikings played their fiercest rival today in a game they had to win to keep alive their dim playoff hopes. Not only did they lose; they were destroyed. Embarrassed. Torn apart. The contrast between the beaten-down, ineffective Favre and the energetic, playmaking Aaron Rodgers could not have been more stark.
The legend of Favre is dead, and Aaron Rodgers killed it.
Favre returned to play in the 2010 season because he wanted to win a Super Bowl. That won't be happening. The Vikings won't be in the playoffs, probably won't be a .500 team, and won't get another positive contribution from Brett Favre. Even if Favre were capable of playing the quarterback position well (and there is zero indication that he can), there's still nothing to gain for the Vikings.
It's time to get Tarvaris Jackson in the line-up. It's probably way past time. With today's waxing at the hands of the Packers, the focus shifts to 2011. Get Jackson on the field in order to let him develop or to see if he's the guy you want to lead the team next year.
Even if you don't buy the "let's play for next year" philosophy, and are still clinging irrationally to some hope that the Vikes can run the table, finish at 9-7 and luck into a Wild Card spot, then guess what? Tarvaris Jackson's your best shot at that, too.
If Favre were to remain the starting quarterback, it wouldn't do anything other than turn the Vikings team into a vehicle for a Brett Favre goodbye tour. Vikings fans deserve better than that. The other 52 guys on the team deserve better than that. They deserve a coaching staff and a quarterback that gives them the best chance to win every week, and they deserve an organization that will do the best thing for the future of Vikings football.
If head coach Brad Childress won't sit Favre, then fire Brad Childress. I don't enjoy calling for a coach's job, but there's no way Childress is going to be employed as the Vikings head coach next season, so what's the downside to replacing him right now (especially if you're hiring a new head coach from within), and letting Tarvaris Jackson, Adrian Peterson and a new coach get a head start on gelling for next season?
This all needs to end right now. There's nothing left to gain for anyone. Even if Favre were to miraculously string together some good games, it won't do anything to get the Vikings in the playoffs. It would just be empty Brett Favre ego stroking. And under the infinitely more likely scenario that Brett Favre continues to play like one of the worst quarterbacks in the league, what's the point in further embarrassing one of the all-time great NFL quarterbacks?
It's not my intention to be mean-spirited here. Brett Favre isn't at fault for every problem the Vikings have, and this all is clearly hurting him, too.
Putting Favre on the sidelines is the kind, compassionate thing to do. This entire year, on and off the field, has been an absolute disaster for the man.
What do you want to see? Favre's historically great career ending with him standing on the sidelines, trying to pass some of his knowledge to a younger quarterback? Or do you want to see this mess dragged out for six more games, where we'll probably see about ten more Favre interceptions and more embarrassing sideline sniping and arguing like we saw today?
It's over, Vikings. Let it be over with whatever small amount of dignity is left.
"The legend of Favre is dead and Aaron Rodgers killed it" LMFAO. . . . . You know who really killed it, who set this whole thing in motion? Ted Thompson. As Brett Favre stands today, outplayed, embarassed, dominated by the guy who replaced him. . . None of it would have happened if Ted would have just gotten in line and drafted a guy to help Favre's cause.
Agreed. It was one hell of a ballsy and risky move at the time to move on with Rodgers. Signature Thompson move.
That really was a weird draft. A ton of teams ahead of the Pack needed a QB and they kept passing on ARod. I couldn't believe when it was our pick that ARod was still there. I knew the pick wouldn't help us that year but could be the eventual replacement for Favre or 4 years of grooming and trade him to another team for picks a la Hasselback, Brunnel and Brooks.
But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.
Aaron was definitely the right choice. Not to pimp my own writing, but I wrote this article in 2008. I thought I 'd mention it because the title/situation is exactly the same. 2 years later the article is still true. Except I hate Favre more than anybody today and he deserves everything that is happening to him.
MINNEAPOLIS -- With about 10 minutes remaining Sunday at the Metrodome, Charles Woodson allowed himself a moment to scan the stands. He smiled at what he saw: Minnesota Vikings fans already were streaming toward the exits, unwilling to watch another down.
"The best thing about a game like today," the Packers' cornerback said, "is at the end of the game watching their fans leave. If you come in and do that, you've done your job. ... That's what happens when you come in and dominate. That felt good."
Woodson then offered the obligatory caveat.
"It needs to be short-lived," he said.
Indeed, the reality is that Woodson's Green Bay Packers remain entwined in a two-team race with the Chicago Bears for the NFC North title. But for the briefest of moments Sunday, I think everyone associated with the Packers accepted and thoroughly enjoyed the significance of their 31-3 dismantling of the Vikings.
To me, Sunday marked the final stitch in a tapestry three years in the making. The Packers have weathered the storm left by quarterback Brett Favre's departure, emerging a stronger and more complete team than they were in his final season with them. They ceded a pair of NFC North titles to the Vikings in the process, but anyone who watched the Packers' aggression and felt their glee Sunday should understand the symbolism involved.
Remember when the Packers described their parting with Favre as a "crossing of the Rubicon?" It has taken three years, but they've finally landed on the other side.
Evidence was plentiful Sunday at the Metrodome.
It started, honestly, when the Packers won the opening coin toss. Coach Mike McCarthy deferred the decision to the second half, putting his defense on the field for the opening series. How often have you seen McCarthy, a confident play-caller, delay the arrival of his offense on the field?
Never.
McCarthy chose to put his defense -- which has now limited opponents to 10 points in its past three games -- in control.
"I've never deferred a coin toss in my career here and there's a number of factors that go into making that decision," he said. McCarthy wouldn't identify those factors, but one seemed obvious: He knew the Packers' defense has been much better than the Vikings' offense this season and couldn't wait to get it going.
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Brett Favre completed just 17-of-38 and had a 51.2 passer rating in Minnesota's loss.It was the right call from a micro perspective; the Vikings lost six yards on their opening possession courtesy a false start and a sack, while the Packers set a frenetic defensive tone. From a macro perspective, the decision revealed some growth from McCarthy as a coach. The formerly pass-happy offensive coordinator has come a long way in his regard for total team football.
That defense provided Sunday's singular turning point, channeling a symbolic transfer of game-changing playmaking from Favre. Trailing 10-3 late in the second quarter, Favre drove the Vikings to the Packers' 25-yard line in hopes of pulling into a tie at halftime. But with 1 minute, 13 seconds remaining, Packers cornerback Tramon Williams smartly jumped a route and intercepted a pass intended for receiver Percy Harvin. The Packers essentially put the game away by driving for Aaron Rodgers' 3-yard touchdown pass to James Jones on the ensuing possession.
Afterward, Williams said he knew the play even before the snap, immediately recognizing that Harvin would run a slant.
"I read the formation," Williams said. "I knew the routes that come out of it, and it was exactly what I expected and I acted on it."
Many Packers players and coaches felt enormous satisfaction watching Williams outsmart Favre. I would imagine at least a few also enjoyed the fact that his play sparked a heated sideline exchange between Favre and Vikings offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell. Favre caused the Packers so many headaches over the past few years, reaching a height during last season's sweep, that everyone should be allowed a moment for some sadistic pleasure in his professional demise.
Woodson, among others, has admitted the Packers put too much emotion into last season's matchups -- which Favre won with two dominating performances.
"We read a little bit too much into it and just got ourselves too excited about playing against Favre and that whole dynamic," Woodson said. "This year, the couple of games we came into these matches just knowing that we need to go out and play football and good things will happen. ... We treated this like another game."
I would suggest there were a few moments Sunday when this was not just another game, most notably Rodgers' 22-yard touchdown pass to Greg Jennings with 9:22 remaining. The play came on third-and-1, and no one would have excused the Packers for continuing to run out the clock.
Consider that play the final climb up the shore of the Rubicon. The Packers now find themselves exactly where they planned to be upon passing the torch from Favre to Rodgers. Although it might have come a year or two later than they hoped, the Packers are tied for the NFC North lead and must be considered one of the best teams in football as Week 11 closes.
Over the past 10 months, they have watched the Vikings ride Favre from the NFC Championship Game to what appears to be a losing season. The Vikings now appear washed down the river, headed toward the falls, while the Packers victoriously stand ashore.
"We're a good football team," McCarthy said. "We've always known that we were a good football team. We've got our foot on the gas, hands on the wheel and we're looking straight ahead."
The purge is complete. By late Sunday afternoon, everyone -- Favre, the Vikings and their fans -- were vanquished. Finally.
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