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  • #76
    I just looked at all of the NFL records and this is what I came up with.

    AFC:
    NY JETS- 9-2 have played 3 winning teams and are 1-2
    NE - 9-2 have played 4 winning teams and are 3-1
    PITT - 7-3 have played 5 winning teams and are 2-3
    BALT - 7-3 have played 4 winning teams and are 2-2
    JACK - 6-4 have played 3 winning teams and are 1-2
    IND - 6-4 have played 5 winning teams and are 2-3
    KC - 6-4 have played 2 winning teams and are 1-1

    So the only team with a winning record against other winning teams is NE.
    But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.

    -Tim Harmston

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    • #77
      NFC:
      PHI- 7-3 have played 5 winning teams and are 4-1
      NYG - 6-4 have played 3 winning teams and are 1-2
      CHI- 7-3 have played 2 winning teams and are 1-1
      GBP - 7-3 have played 3 winning teams and are 2-1
      ATL - 7-3 have played 5 winning teams and are 3-2
      NO - 8-3 have played 3 winning teams and are 2-1
      TB - 7-3 have played 3 winning teams and are 0-3

      So only PHI stands out but 3 other teams have winning records against winning teams.
      But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.

      -Tim Harmston

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      • #78
        2 NFC heavy hitters. The winner leaves this game with NFC elite status (shared with Philly). The loser leaves as a playoff contender but not a NFC favorite.


        HUGE GAME! Reminds me of the Dallas game in 2007.
        Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by JustinHarrell View Post
          2 NFC heavy hitters. The winner leaves this game with NFC elite status (shared with Philly). The loser leaves as a playoff contender but not a NFC favorite.


          HUGE GAME! Reminds me of the Dallas game in 2007.
          If the Pack wins tomorrow we will have head-to-head tie-breakers against both PHI and ATL. That would be a nice spot to be in.
          But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.

          -Tim Harmston

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          • #80
            Originally posted by packerbacker1234 View Post
            Say what you want about what other teams did against the eagles, bottom line is with vick full time we don't win that game.
            This statement is illogical and inoperative. For Vick to play the Packers in a full game, it will require the teams to meet again in the playoffs. That means that there will be an entire season of film on Vick. It also means the Packers will have 1-2 weeks to prepare for Vick. Neither condition existed in the first game of the season. There is no lesson to learn about the Packers 2010 team that can be gained by imagining a scenario of Vick making a surprise full game appearance versus the Packers.
            Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by ThunderDan View Post
              NFC:
              PHI- 7-3 have played 5 winning teams and are 4-1
              NYG - 6-4 have played 3 winning teams and are 1-2
              CHI- 7-3 have played 2 winning teams and are 1-1
              GBP - 7-3 have played 3 winning teams and are 2-1
              ATL - 7-3 have played 5 winning teams and are 3-2
              NO - 8-3 have played 3 winning teams and are 2-1
              TB - 7-3 have played 3 winning teams and are 0-3

              So only PHI stands out but 3 other teams have winning records against winning teams.
              Bingo. Good work Dan. If the Packers had removed their collective head from their collective tail, that record would be 3-0. But 2-1 is reasonable indicator that this team is good and possibly capable of great.
              Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                This statement is illogical and inoperative. For Vick to play the Packers in a full game, it will require the teams to meet again in the playoffs. That means that there will be an entire season of film on Vick. It also means the Packers will have 1-2 weeks to prepare for Vick. Neither condition existed in the first game of the season. There is no lesson to learn about the Packers 2010 team that can be gained by imagining a scenario of Vick making a surprise full game appearance versus the Packers.
                Understand your point, and I agree, but I think his point was that if we had to face Philadelphia, in Philly, against Vick TODAY, we would probably lose. Dan's stats seem to back up that point.

                The funny thing is that, in this thread, I don't think PB1234 and Dan are really saying anything different.

                Philly is the class of the NFC right now if you ask me, and then there is a slightly lower tier of teams, that the Packers belong in, and both of them seem to be saying we'll enter Philly's tier if we win.

                I don't understand the debate....

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by retailguy View Post
                  Understand your point, and I agree, but I think his point was that if we had to face Philadelphia, in Philly, against Vick TODAY, we would probably lose. Dan's stats seem to back up that point.

                  The funny thing is that, in this thread, I don't think PB1234 and Dan are really saying anything different.

                  Philly is the class of the NFC right now if you ask me, and then there is a slightly lower tier of teams, that the Packers belong in, and both of them seem to be saying we'll enter Philly's tier if we win.

                  I don't understand the debate....
                  We would DOMINATE the Eagles with how we are playing now. Vick, when gameplanned for, can be contained!
                  Swede: My expertise in this area is extensive. The essential difference between a "battleship" and an "aircraft carrier" is that an aircraft carrier requires five direct hits to sink, but it takes only four direct hits to sink a battleship.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by retailguy View Post
                    Understand your point, and I agree, but I think his point was that if we had to face Philadelphia, in Philly, against Vick TODAY, we would probably lose. Dan's stats seem to back up that point.
                    Perhaps, but I read his point as "look at what Vick did in the second half against the Packers. Extrapolate that out and the Packers probably lose that game." Both teams have gotten better since that game and the Packers would have a chance to prepare and look at film of Vick. Something not available to them at the time. I am not buying Philly over the Packers yet.
                    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                      Perhaps, but I read his point as "look at what Vick did in the second half against the Packers. Extrapolate that out and the Packers probably lose that game." Both teams have gotten better since that game and the Packers would have a chance to prepare and look at film of Vick. Something not available to them at the time. I am not buying Philly over the Packers yet.
                      I think that this game against the Falcons might tell us that. I think that the Eagles just might be the best team in the NFL. If we manage to beat the Falcons and the Patriots, then for me the discussion changes. I'm not as sure as Tony that Vick can be contained. The Giants pulled it off but still lost the game...

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                        This statement is illogical and inoperative. For Vick to play the Packers in a full game, it will require the teams to meet again in the playoffs. That means that there will be an entire season of film on Vick. It also means the Packers will have 1-2 weeks to prepare for Vick. Neither condition existed in the first game of the season. There is no lesson to learn about the Packers 2010 team that can be gained by imagining a scenario of Vick making a surprise full game appearance versus the Packers.
                        Your excellent reasoning was like Data would have spelled it out. Good job.

                        Even Data has a bad day now and again, tho...
                        [QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.

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                        • #87
                          Just picked up my tickets. Good news/bad news: got em for $60 each because they're player-area tickets and comparable seats are going for $139 on stubhub. Bad news is I can't wear any Packers gear but I'm at least encouraged to cheer as crazy as I want.

                          Same buddy who I met in Milwaukee to go to the Cowboys game is down to join me and my wife for her first NFL game. We're excited GO PACK GO!!

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                          • #88
                            Not sure vick can be contained. The giants sort of did it, and yet he still didn't turn over the ball, the eagles still scored points, and in the end still won the game. That RB they have is not someone to be overlooked. Guy is scary fast. Combined with the threat of vick running and his stellar play throwing the ball this year, I don't know. It would have to be a shootout I think for us to win, and I don't know if we are consistent enough yet offensively to win a 40 poiint shootout.

                            I mean I know it's been debated, but Vick is, right now, playing like he is the best QB in the entire NFL. 4-1 record for the eagles against teams with winning records right now (best in the NFL), and vick is undefeated in every game he starts all 4 quarters.

                            Yeah... not even we have anything that can comapre to how impressive that is.

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                            • #89
                              With the way he runs around, Vick has suffered some injuries in his career. There's no telling how healthy he'll be come playoff time. Also, it seems he's riding the Favre "career year" path. How the hell does he have no interceptions? He normally throws around a dozen or more picks/year in fewer than 400 pass attempts. The NFC Championship Game seems like a good place for him to revert back to the norm. We'll see. I called Philly as a contender before the year, so I'm certainly not going to pooh pooh their chances now. They aren't unbeatable though.
                              "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by mission View Post
                                Just picked up my tickets. Good news/bad news: got em for $60 each because they're player-area tickets and comparable seats are going for $139 on stubhub. Bad news is I can't wear any Packers gear but I'm at least encouraged to cheer as crazy as I want.

                                Same buddy who I met in Milwaukee to go to the Cowboys game is down to join me and my wife for her first NFL game. We're excited GO PACK GO!!
                                Why can't you wear any Packer gear? But anyway, have fun and cheer on the Pack!

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