McCarthy = Sherman?

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seriously though, MM's got a LOT of productions out of a skeleton of a roster. I don't think Sherman could do that, because he did not place any value on the bottom of a roster.

is that M3 though getting the most out of those players?

m3 runs the offense, its lost 3 guys (grant, finley, and tauscher) the # 1 draft pick filled in for mark and has done fine for a rookie. but the running game has sucked since we lost grant, and the te's are a far cry from finley and lee.

on the other side of the ball, the defense has lost a ton of guys, and yet new guys continue to step up and play well

to me it looks more like capers getting the most out of his players and m3 not getting so much out of his

[mmmdk]

McCarthy might last 2-3 seasons still but if Dom Capers has ambitions to be a head coach again, hence leaving Packland, then Stubby is in big trouble...and quickly too.

[rbaloha1]

Sherman's conservatism was his failure to go for it on 4th and 1. McCarthy's lapse yesterday was leaving in a QB sneak call after the Falcons had put in a defensive package which made that a bad play call. That may be something else but it's not conservative.

Whatever happened or didn't happen yesterday, I hate the idea of drawing broad sketches and such based on one game. The important question, to my mind, is, did Green Bay make mistakes yesterday that are reflective of an ongoing bad trend? The big play on the last kickoff return is surely one example. I am not sure that the problems in the red zone yesterday were indicative of any kind of broad problem with play calling, however.

How many close games have the Packers lost this season? Are these due to McCarthy?

[rbaloha1]

Hasn't MM been on fire this year with challenges? He's done a great job on those.

MM can create a great passing offense but definately needs work on the running part. No reason at all to terminate him.

What if the PAckers fail to make the playoffs? As MM has pointed-out -- "In Green Bay you are judged by championships." MM and Sherman -- Zero!

[pbmax]

4 or 5 times we were in short yardage situations and went empty backfield with 5 wide. every time it was a QB draw. plus i believe we ran it twice back to back on the goal line with the second one being the a-rod fumble

it wasn't fooling anyone and looked once again like M3 thought he was smarter then everyone else, and wasn't

It wasn't a QB draw each time. One sneak was Rodgers' checkdown and there were at least two Go patterns out of that formation on that down and distance.

[pbmax]

is that M3 though getting the most out of those players?

m3 runs the offense, its lost 3 guys (grant, finley, and tauscher) the # 1 draft pick filled in for mark and has done fine for a rookie. but the running game has sucked since we lost grant, and the te's are a far cry from finley and lee.

on the other side of the ball, the defense has lost a ton of guys, and yet new guys continue to step up and play well

to me it looks more like capers getting the most out of his players and m3 not getting so much out of his

True. But as has been pointed out, teams responded to Finley being out by playing Cover 2 on run downs, seven in the box and daring the Packers to run while they defended the pass. The run game has not been able to take full advantage. So Grant being gone hurts both phases. Same with Finley. If the Defense played Cover 2 against him most downs, he would be in the Pro Bowl by mid-season. Teams were committing two players to him early. Not only does his absence hurt the pass game, but it also uncomplicates formations like 2 TEs, which reduces the run game options.

M3 has had to change the offense on the fly and that is the reason it looks more 2008 than 2009. Or even 2007, because before Grant really took off, the Big 5 personnel was the 3rd down package.

[superfan]

How many close games have the Packers lost this season? Are these due to McCarthy?

A lot went wrong in the Washington game and as a whole, there were a lot of contributing factors in that loss. The most obvious to us fans was the Crosby last second clank off the upright that would have been the game winner if it had just been another foot over. Does the result of that kick make McCarthy a better or worse coach? I don't think so.

[Fritz]

I think MM's a better coach. Shermy's teams were often flat early on, it seemed to me. And I don't think he got the most he could from the talent he had - I'm thinking that Philly playoff game, for one example.

No, we don't really know who MM is "like" as a coach.

[sheepshead]

McCarthy = Marty Mornhinweg

[MichiganPackerFan]

A lot went wrong in the Washington game and as a whole, there were a lot of contributing factors in that loss. The most obvious to us fans was the Crosby last second clank off the upright that would have been the game winner if it had just been another foot over. Does the result of that kick make McCarthy a better or worse coach? I don't think so.

That sucked because we shelled out a lot of cash to go to that one. Finley getting hurt right away didn't help. Clay getting hurt in the second half didn't help. Didn't Pickett get hurt too?

[3irty1]

I could make a more convincing thread called McCarthy = Belichick?

[rbaloha1]

McCarthy = Marty Mornhinweg

Harsh but true.

[rbaloha1]

I could make a more convincing thread called McCarthy = Belichick?

Just like Sterger = Mrs. Favre?

[MichiganPackerFan]

Just like Sterger = Mrs. Favre?

Sterger = Mrs. Favre - Age

[pbmax]

Harsh but true.

You have got to be kidding me. He blew the coin toss to an overtime game. Beyond that, its hard to get a handle on how bad he was with Millen as GM.

I have some issues with M3s use of timeouts and his challenge record, but Marty couldn't demonstrate he could win in the NFL period.