McCarthy = Sherman?

[rbaloha1]

What trend? The Packers were in the playoffs last year. If making the playoffs and having an elite passing attack is the trend, then yes, he should be retained.

The trend I was referring to is FAILURE TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THIS SEASON NOT LAST SEASON.

TO QUOTE MM, "IN GREEN BAY YOU ARE JUDGED BY CHAMPIONSHIPS."

SHERMAN = 0 CHAMPIONSHIPS

MM = 0 CHAMPIONSHIPS

[vince]

Not to belabor the obvious, but Craig's point is that premature speculation about a possibility that hasn't occurred does not form a trend.

[mmmdk]

mmmdk you strike me as the type who'd love a Mike Singletary or Rex Ryan type coach. McCarthy doesn't grab facemasks but with the type of players we get in Green Bay, he really doesn't need to. At some point I expect self-motivation. Its McCarthy's job to work the strategy and use his personnel. I know you weren't comparing Belichick and Lombardi but the contrast in what it takes to be a great coach in this day and age is apparent in this example. Lombardi was a motivator. Belichick, McCarthy, and a good deal of other head coaches are for the most part stone faced and boring.

McCarthy has a way to go for the comparisons in accomplishments and leadership to be accurate. Belichick puts and extreme emphasis on special teams that the Packers obviously lack. It would be nice for McCarthy and to some degree Thompson do more than lip service in this area. There is no reason a team as deep as ours shouldn't have elite teams squads every single year. Belichick is also the GM of his team and has the entire organization so under his thumb that its mind boggling that he has not spread himself thin. McCarthy prefers to delegate personnel decisions to the omnipotent Ted Thompson and even the defensive decisions to our resident defensive mastermind, Dom Capers. Make no mistake though, McCarthy is a lifelong student of the game and is absorbing everything he can from his new "co-head coach." The guy is still improving but if I were a betting man I'd mark him down for at least one superbowl. I hope it is in Green Bay. The comparisons to Sherman are insulting.

Great post & I see your point. I get what you say about the "boring" coaches; Belichick and McCarthy are similar there. I just think that McCarthy lacks the intelligence and guts to reach the level of a Belichick.
As for Singletary - no thanks - but you had me going with Rex as I admire a coach like THE TUNA. Rex can win a super bowl or reach a super bowl...ONCE, I believe. Rex isn't a mastermind but you're right - I'd probably prefer Rex to a McCarthy.

Who do I really want? Belichick, but that won't happen. Sean Payton is a Disciple of the great Tuna and I have posts to prove that I endorsed the heck out of Payton. He had that intelligent fire that I seek in a head coach; it was evident during his Dallas tenure. My brother is a die hard Saints fan and he's not high on McCarthy; says McCarthy kinda faded as a playcaller.

Yet here's to McCarthy to prove doubters wrong. I just want that Lombardi trophy back to the Pack.

[Fritz]

Craig, how many teams in the NFL so far this year have made the playoffs? Has any team clinched a playoff spot yet?

No.

Thus, by your logic, all fans of all NFL teams could very well be questioning their head coaches right about now. "Hey, you know, we're not in the playoffs this year...if this keeps up, we ought to fire the coach!"

In addition, the Packers have 13 players on IR. They are winning despite losing about seven starters. For the year. Only Indianapolis is having that kind of injury problem.

[mmmdk]

Craig, how many teams in the NFL so far this year have made the playoffs? Has any team clinched a playoff spot yet?

No.

Thus, by your logic, all fans of all NFL teams could very well be questioning their head coaches right about now. "Hey, you know, we're not in the playoffs this year...if this keeps up, we ought to fire the coach!"

In addition, the Packers have 13 players on IR. They are winning despite losing about seven starters. For the year. Only Indianapolis is having that kind of injury problem.

Yeah but who's Craig? Just curious.

[swede]

mmmdk you strike me as the type who'd love a Mike Singletary or Rex Ryan type coach. McCarthy doesn't grab facemasks but with the type of players we get in Green Bay, he really doesn't need to. At some point I expect self-motivation. Its McCarthy's job to work the strategy and use his personnel. I know you weren't comparing Belichick and Lombardi but the contrast in what it takes to be a great coach in this day and age is apparent in this example. Lombardi was a motivator. Belichick, McCarthy, and a good deal of other head coaches are for the most part stone faced and boring.

McCarthy has a way to go for the comparisons in accomplishments and leadership to be accurate. Belichick puts and extreme emphasis on special teams that the Packers obviously lack. It would be nice for McCarthy and to some degree Thompson do more than lip service in this area. There is no reason a team as deep as ours shouldn't have elite teams squads every single year. Belichick is also the GM of his team and has the entire organization so under his thumb that its mind boggling that he has not spread himself thin. McCarthy prefers to delegate personnel decisions to the omnipotent Ted Thompson and even the defensive decisions to our resident defensive mastermind, Dom Capers. Make no mistake though, McCarthy is a lifelong student of the game and is absorbing everything he can from his new "co-head coach." The guy is still improving but if I were a betting man I'd mark him down for at least one superbowl. I hope it is in Green Bay. The comparisons to Sherman are insulting.

Excellent post 3irty1. But when the crippled defense holds the Falcons to twenty points and we don't win I look at Stubby and I wonder if he's the guy.

It is kind of funny. When we win he's a smart, tough, true football guy from blue collar roots in the streets of Pittsburgh. When we lose he's a stubby shlubbus without enough brains to operate a red beanbag.

[3irty1]

Excellent post 3irty1. But when the crippled defense holds the Falcons to twenty points and we don't win I look at Stubby and I wonder if he's the guy.

It is kind of funny. When we win he's a smart, tough, true football guy from blue collar roots in the streets of Pittsburgh. When we lose he's a stubby shlubbus without enough brains to operate a red beanbag.

I don't think its fair to look at points when talking about a ball control offense. Atlanta likes to shorten the game and go on really long drives. 20 for Atlanta is like 30 for most teams. You saw the game, which side of the ball would you say played better? I'd saw the O despite the fumble on the goal line that ultimately lost the game. Also which side of the ball would you say is more crippled? I'd say the offense. The two best players we've lost have come from that side of the ball. The defense is probably better than they were at this time last year.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Craig, how many teams in the NFL so far this year have made the playoffs? Has any team clinched a playoff spot yet?

No.

Thus, by your logic, all fans of all NFL teams could very well be questioning their head coaches right about now. "Hey, you know, we're not in the playoffs this year...if this keeps up, we ought to fire the coach!"

In addition, the Packers have 13 players on IR. They are winning despite losing about seven starters. For the year. Only Indianapolis is having that kind of injury problem.

Fritz,
I think you misread me. rbaloha is trolling that we haven't made the playoffs this year and thus MM is a failure and should be fired. I stated that the current trend is making the playoffs and having an elite passing attack and thus he does not need to be fired.

[Cheesehead Craig]

The trend I was referring to is FAILURE TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THIS SEASON NOT LAST SEASON.

TO QUOTE MM, "IN GREEN BAY YOU ARE JUDGED BY CHAMPIONSHIPS."

SHERMAN = 0 CHAMPIONSHIPS

MM = 0 CHAMPIONSHIPS

So since the Packers haven't locked a playoff spot yet after 11 games he should be fired? That is the dumbest statement I've heard.

[rbaloha1]

So since the Packers haven't locked a playoff spot yet after 11 games he should be fired? That is the dumbest statement I've heard.

Never once said MM should be fired ASAP. My point is the Sherman-like qualities in crucial games.

Sherlock, YES MM SHOULD BE FIRED IF THE PACKERS FAIL TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. THE 0 CHAMPIONSHIPS IS JUST A REMINDER THAT MM SMELLS LIKE SHERMAN. MAHALO.

[Patler]

Doesn't matter how they finish from here, MM will get a pass this season. When you lose almost 1/4 of your opening day roster to IR with only 2/3 of the season gone, including 3 starters on offense, 3 on defense, a couple of your higher draft picks and several of your better ST players, you get a pass if you do even moderately well. He has already accomplished that, and baring a real odd finish should end with a winning record.

[rbaloha1]

Doesn't matter how they finish from here, MM will get a pass this season. When you lose almost 1/4 of your opening day roster to IR with only 2/3 of the season gone, including 3 starters on offense, 3 on defense, a couple of your higher draft picks and several of your better ST players, you get a pass if you do even moderately well. He has already accomplished that, and baring a real odd finish should end with a winning record.

How many passes does MM get?

[vince]

The Packers are a young team that, under McCarthy's leadership, is clearly ascending into an NFL powerhouse. When that real trend reverses course, the talk about McCarthy getting a pass or getting fired should start. There's been no sign of that this year. With the injuries, the value of McCarthy's leadership has been reaffirmed.

[rbaloha1]

The Packers are a young team that, under McCarthy's leadership, is clearly ascending into an NFL powerhouse. When that real trend reverses course, the talk about McCarthy getting a pass or getting fired should start. There's been no sign of that this year. With the injuries, the value of McCarthy's leadership has been reaffirmed.

Please provide an example of when the real trend reverses.

[Packgator]

Atlanta likes to shorten the game and go on really long drives. 20 for Atlanta is like 30 for most teams.

Sunday's game was one of the "fastest" I've seen in a while. Seems like it was barely over 2 1/2 hours long. Wasn't really close to the 3 hours it normally takes.