Vick: A new dog could help my rehabilitation

[bobblehead]

Sarcasm aside, dog fighting is a popular subculture sport that, in reality, is what it is because we're not allowed to do death matches with humans ala old gladiator games. Lets me real here: People like to watch shit beat eachother up for sport, and sicne we can't do that with people, dogs is a logical step. Not saying I am okay with what he did, I am saying that I understand the entertainment value in it. I get why he would be hooked.

I also think he is a changed man. He is carrying himself differently than he use too. He speaks differently and just has an aura that hey, he learned his lesson. COuld be wrong, but so what if he wants a pet dog? Sometimes the best way to deal with your demons is to face it head on. He had a problem with dog abuse and fighting. Own up to it, get a new dog, and test your self control. Test your resolve and see if the urges for the old life are truly gone. I think it's a good move really. He should get a dog.

Whats going to happen to the dog? Torture? If he so much as swats it on the ass he'll get suspended.

I am all for such testing and second chances. I assume you will be letting the local child molester baby sit for you once in awhile to test his resolve and see if the urges for the old life are truly gone.

[bobblehead]

It doesn't matter whether Vick was personally torturing and killing dogs or not. All that matters is the sentence handed down by the judge, and the efforts Vick has made to change his ways.

People really need to drop this already. Seriously. He wasn't handed a life sentence.

Suppose Vick were to get a new dog. I don't know whether he'd even be allowed to by law or not given the nature of the crimes he was convicted of, but suppose he did and he treated that new dog with all the love and care we'd treat our pets with. Suppose he really has changed his ways. Suppose he's really NOT a criminal.

He hasn't blown his second chance, yet society is quick to accuse him of additional crimes he hasn't committed and convict him of those crimes based on a history that may or may not be relevant to the present. If he ain't dogfighting anymore, he ain't a dogfighter anymore. If he is no longer committing crimes, perhaps he's no longer a criminal. That is the goal of our prison system when releasing an inmate. We should be proud.

When it comes to ourselves we demand that second chance to prove that we can change. But when it comes to other people, people we can't relate to, they are what they are and could never change. Their past will always loom larger than their present. True redemption is impossible to achieve. For others, but not for ourselves. Maybe that's the problem.

A second chance is good and all, but innocents should still be protected. See my above post. Guys who embezzle don't get jobs in finance. Pedophiles don't get kindergarten teaching jobs. Felons don't get to own guns. Murderers never get out. Some crimes allow for a second chance with common sense conditions.

[Brandon494]

Give me a fucking break!

Dude wants to get a dog for his two daughters, do you really think if they let him get a dog he would involve it in dog fighting?

Then trying to compare his dog fighting to the holocust or a child molester. (rolling eyes)

Listen I don't agree with anything he did and I love my dog but at the end of the day its a FUCKING DOG! The guy gets more hate then NFL players who have taken a human life. He served time, lost millions, and it looks like he has turned his life around. WTF more do you want from the guy? Some people are going to hate no matter what and to those people I say STFU and worry about your own life.

[Sparkey]

Sarcasm aside, dog fighting is a popular subculture sport that, in reality, is what it is because we're not allowed to do death matches with humans ala old gladiator games. Lets me real here: People like to watch shit beat eachother up for sport, and sicne we can't do that with people, dogs is a logical step. Not saying I am okay with what he did, I am saying that I understand the entertainment value in it. I get why he would be hooked.

I also think he is a changed man. He is carrying himself differently than he use too. He speaks differently and just has an aura that hey, he learned his lesson. COuld be wrong, but so what if he wants a pet dog? Sometimes the best way to deal with your demons is to face it head on. He had a problem with dog abuse and fighting. Own up to it, get a new dog, and test your self control. Test your resolve and see if the urges for the old life are truly gone. I think it's a good move really. He should get a dog.

Whats going to happen to the dog? Torture? If he so much as swats it on the ass he'll get suspended.

Entertainment factor ? Are you referring to animals inflicting pain and torture on each other for enjoyment of others ? THAT IS FUCKED UP!

Anyone who has ever had a household pet, basically an extension of their family would think your statement is revolting. People that "enjoy" that shit are only a few steps away from enjoying watching humans being tortured and killed.

[mraynrand]

Then trying to compare his dog fighting to the holocust or a child molester. (rolling eyes)

You not too bright. Comparison with molester is how to treat a convicted criminal guilty of x. Not comparing dog fighter to molester. I'd bite your ankle if you were next to me right now.

[Brandon494]

You not too bright. Comparison with molester is how to treat a convicted criminal guilty of x. Not comparing dog fighter to molester. I'd bite your ankle if you were next to me right now.

So if I get a speeding ticket shouldnt be allowed to drive again? Now get the fuck off the couch

[mraynrand]

So if I get a speeding ticket shouldnt be allowed to drive again? Now get the fuck off the couch

You do catch on. That's analogous to what Bobble was talking about with the child molester. To address the point: depends on how fast and reckless you were driving, eh? Driving 15 over? 150 dollar fine. Driving 120 mph and kill someone? Never drive again. Attend a dog fight? Maybe get a fine and probation. Organize a series of brutal dog fights and kill dogs with your own hands? well, you should never be allowed within 50 yards of a dog again.

BTW, i got off your couch, but i left you a present

[Guiness]

You should talk - you barbarians eat dogs over there.

WAY out of line - showing quite an ignorance for Korean culture and way of life. The fact that some dogs are treated as livestock is just that - a fact. Unless you happen to be a Vegan, you can't say much considering it's not much different (and probably a lot better) than the treatment of the beef you buy in the supermarket here.

/rant

Ya, ya, I know, it's the dog persona talking, and 'he' would think it's barbaric.

[Scott Campbell]

Thats right, that whisper when you meet them "I can make this look like an accident" usually does the trick

Good one. I'll add that to my "I'm not afraid of going back to prison" line.

[Freak Out]

The Judge said no dogs in his future so he will have to be happy with his stuffed animals to keep him company. Sucks for his daughters but he'll have to explain to them why he isn't allowed to have one.

[SlimPickens]

What actions since prison? Going out for his birthday? How can he control who shows up?

And wow, I don't consider a bloodsport and the Holocaust to be anywhere near comparable.

Where was your outrage when Leonard Little killed a woman and drove drunk again?

It wasn't comparing bloodsport and the Holocaust it was comparing relative responsibility. If he learned his lesson you would think he would be more careful about adhering to the terms of his probation. Do you get that part, his associations are his responsibility. What is your stake in being a Vick ballwasher? And who the fuck says I wasn't outraged about Little? You? But then again that isn't the subject is it?

[steve823]

All I see here is people with different ideologies and opinions, which is fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and beliefs.

The one point I want to make is this: The sentence on Vick includes a lifetime ban on owning a dog. If he somehow manages to get around this and get a dog, this will once again show how society favors sports players unfairly, and that they can continue to make mistakes because they won't be punished by the law or if they are, it won't be nearly as bad compared to the sentence of an average person (see Plexico burress, ray lewis, etc.).

[Iron Mike]

This thread needs a little levity--(which means don't watch if you're easily offended.)

[MadtownPacker]

This guy is doing enough to stay out of the negative with me but a true punishment would have been having him work with animal shelters. Scooping crap would have test him. As it stands he is doing ok but should not be praised but maybe commended for coming thru correct after his mess. He has to keep it up and for some reason I get the feeling he will. I dont like him and I never have but he is being a man, probably for the first time in his life.

I do think his daughters should get a dog. Why should they be punished? Maybe cuz of their dad's mistake they will learn to not be cold like that. Maybe he will see them playing with the dog and think of what a fucked up thing he did. People can changed but not if you don't give them a chance.

[th87]

It wasn't comparing bloodsport and the Holocaust it was comparing relative responsibility. If he learned his lesson you would think he would be more careful about adhering to the terms of his probation. Do you get that part, his associations are his responsibility. What is your stake in being a Vick ballwasher? And who the fuck says I wasn't outraged about Little? You? But then again that isn't the subject is it?

He pays me to say nice things about him.

My question is why are you this outraged? He financed something that he was culturally conditioned not to consider a big deal. Now he appears to understand. Why do you care that he wants a dog now? How does it affect you or society? Do you think he'd hurt it? Or do you just want him not to enjoy having a dog, because you don't feel he deserves it?