Flynn As a Starter Full Time. Could He Win?

[RashanGary]

They go beyond though, MrAyn. Flynn came out there and just ran their stuff. It was our guys against theirs. Rodgers/MM go out there and try to out clever the other team. Fuck that. Football is a mans game played on a grass field. It's about beating the guy in front of you. Of course you outsmart him too, but you damn well better out play him. We've gone away from being a gritty offense. MM was great with Favre because he offset his grit with some thought. MM and AR are two thinkers. I don't like the match. Neither of htem wants to just line up and play. I guarantee the OL would. I guarantee the WR's would rather get the quick passes like they did in 07 when the lead the league in YAC. I guarantee the RB's would like getting out there with a decisive play they can commit to in their head before the snap. What they do out there, it's great to have some flexibility to take advantage of situations, but your core game should be beating the ass hole in front of you. That's been forgotten until the NE game it seems. I'd guess they've doubled the checks from 07 till now. I remember a few times a game Favre would make a check and torch single coverage. AR is making 30 checks a game and 2 of them are working. Overkill. And nobody likes to hear someone bitch about the Packers but that's what I see.

[denverYooper]

And the checks thing. I've been frustrated with how disgustingly poor they've worked for three years. They think they're running a manning offense and they're just going 3 and out and living and dying on the big play. I take steady effectiveness over inconsistency with big plays every fucking time and the sad thing is, we'd have the big plays too if we just looked for them more situationally instead of all the fucking time.

I think that his main check is that if he has a 1-1 he's free to go after it and that most of those end up being deep routes. I agree that Rodgers takes the 1 on 1 down the field too often this year at times. I think it's because they 1.) they believe big plays make a big difference and 2.) feel that some teams have matchups they can go after. My main issue is that they seem to get stuck on it even if it doesn't work (often multiple times) for whatever reason (Rodgers overthrows, receivers bobble, etc), feeling like their chance to hit the next one is better. The problem is that when it's not working and they keep chasing it, they really can't establish a good rhythm.

I also think that MAR is right that Manning is good at taking what the defense gives him. GB is trying to run more of a San Diego-type offense. They run a lot of verticals and are pretty good at it. They also have the run game to make it work better. But they're in the nearly the same spot the Packers are in wrt the playoffs and usually end up being a disappointment despite playing generally well.

[mraynrand]

but your core game should be beating the ass hole in front of you. That's been forgotten until the NE game it seems.

There's some truth of course to what you write - you want to physically outplay the dudes across from you. You want to run your best stuff. But here's the thing - when you're playing NE, which was lining up 3 DL backups, you gameplan to pound the ball at them - especially since you have a new starter at QB. In Minnesota, in 2007, when you have Fat Williams and Kevin Williams playing pro bowl level DT across from you, well, you get the ball out quick in the flats and run to the edges, even if you like your fullback dive up the middle, or other between the tackles runs. The answer is you do both: Run your best stuff, and play to the other team's weaknesses. Stubby is pretty good at gameplanning this, only he gets Stubby in games when he can't believe that his great gameplan isn't panning out and he might actually have to adjust on the fly....

[bobblehead]

What seems beyond coincidence though, is that for the first time in the post Favre era we had long, consistent, control the clock type drives for a full game where we didn't live and die on the big play.

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This is the best thing written in this thread. Not the coincidence part, but the fact that we controlled the ball, clock, and patriots offense as a result. Everyone here knows I believe in running the football. I think you need great balance, and I think time of possession is a very telling statistic. When you make Tom sit on the sidelines and watch a 6 minute drive it messes his rhythm up. When he comes out after that long wait and has a 3 and out it really messes him up. The opposite is of course true of our offense. I KNOW Rodgers can play this way, because he has. And when he does those wonderful deep plays are WIDE open when we do try them.

[Smidgeon]

Zig, I know what you're saying played a strong role in what happened in the game.


What seems beyond coincidence though, is that for the first time in the post Favre era we had long, consistent, control the clock type drives for a full game where we didn't live and die on the big play.

In almost 50 games it's been much of the same and this time it was completely different. It was like we were watching a completely different team. Maybe all of that is chalked up to the Patriots being he worst defenese we've ever faced and Flynn being mroe lucky than good, but I think it's more than that. Usually it's the simplest answer and in this case, Flynn is good and the game plan they came up with worked.

Why they have never run a similar game plan in 3 years, I don't know but if they don't at least try it again after it being so damn effective, I have to think it's a major mistake. That's the impression I get. That's the way I'm siding. I don't have to be right all of the time, but I'm going ot make my judgement and see how it pans out.

That's my judgement.They ran a gameplan that was simpler and worked. I have a lot of evidence showing they play their best football when they go simple. 2009 they did it after 8 games. 2010 they did it after 6. Both times it worked. And this time it worked again.

And the checks thing. I've been frustrated with how disgustingly poor they've worked for three years. They think they're running a manning offense and they're just going 3 and out and living and dying on the big play. I take steady effectiveness over inconsistency with big plays every fucking time and the sad thing is, we'd have the big plays too if we just looked for them more situationally instead of all the fucking time.

Atlanta this year. Among others.

[Tarlam!]

The question Snake asked is what Flynn's winning record might look like if he were a full time starter and all of a sudden, posters are comparing him to A-Rod.

Maybe I started it, but totally unwittingly; I was merely pointing out where similarities were. It's completely obvious that Rodgers is better and it shlould be so, considering the playing time.

A lot has been made of arm strength and boy, it is exciting to watch Bert, Rodgers, Brady et al squeeze the pigskin into fractions of and inch worth of daylight or connect on a 50 yard bomb.

Winning championships is pretty exciting, too. I think a team could win with either Rodgers or Flynn and that's why I think it's just semantics comparing them.

[vince]

Controlling the clock is not a problem McCarthy's offenses have had in his tenure, including this year.

[SnakeLH2006]

The question Snake asked is what Flynn's winning record might look like if he were a full time starter and all of a sudden, posters are comparing him to A-Rod.

Maybe I started it, but totally unwittingly; I was merely pointing out where similarities were. It's completely obvious that Rodgers is better and it shlould be so, considering the playing time.

A lot has been made of arm strength and boy, it is exciting to watch Bert, Rodgers, Brady et al squeeze the pigskin into fractions of and inch worth of daylight or connect on a 50 yard bomb.

Well put, Tarlam. I really am not anti-Flynn so much as I'm pro-Arod. Arod is as good as it gets. His arm/savvy is up there with ANY NFL QB. Flynn has a long ways to go. He's fidgety, but really that is being a young QB, but his arm is so noodled that he has no chance to be a good regular starter. It's all about cannons (whether that be Bert in his prime firing it on ropes or Brady being pinpoint)...as Flynn will NEVER have either aspect in his throwing arsenal. He's a savvy dude, but Hasselbeck, the Saints QB we traded, and Brunell (younger) all had the ability to rope a pass. Flynn doesn't. He's a good backup, but will NEVER be a starting QB very long.