Official John Kuhn Fan Club

[mmmdk]

By the time he is out of the league a few years, he will barely be remembered. He has very little statistical presence, and while he has been an effective blocker, he hasn't been the type of devastating blocker that becomes memorable. Just a solid all-around football player that every team needs a lot of to be successful. Crabtree is a similar player. Solid at whatever he is asked to do.

Wow! I can't wait for those "CRAB-TREE!" shouts at Lambeau. Or did I miss them? I understand culture and Green Bay Packers has that; cherish it [even if you don't understand it]. Dear Patler, I've cherished your posting but that was a...numb comment that totally lacked the understanding of culture/history that is the very heart and soul of what is YOUR GREEN BAY PACKERS! Get that feeling back, Pat, but if you're "right" then there would be something wrong with the culture of what makes Packers great. Kuhn is culture, Kuhn is history and a heck of a story - not unsung...but a shout out my lungs Lambeau hero!

"Kuhn!"

[Patler]

William Henderson > John Kuhn .... might be a homer because hes from Richmond VA.

By a lot, in my opinion. For most of his career, Henderson was a pretty powerful blocker who could clear a hole that wasn't there initially. Much better in that area than Kuhn. He was also a pretty good receiver. Had a knack for hurdling DBs who tried to go low on tackles. Carried the ball a few times per game under Holmgren, but not under Sherman.

[Patler]

Wow! I can't wait for those "CRAB-TREE!" shouts at Lambeau. Or did I miss them? I understand culture and Green Bay Packers has that; cherish it [even if you don't understand it]. Dear Patler, I've cherish your posting but that was a...numb comment that totally lacked the understanding of culture/history that is the very heart and soul of what is YOUR GREEN BAY PACKERS! Get that feeling back, Pat, but if you're "right" then there would be something wrong with culture of what makes Packers great. Kuhn is culture, Kuhn is history and a heck of a story - not unsung...but a shout out my lungs Lambeau hero!

"Kuhn!"

So he is an icon and Packer HOF'er just because of his name?

[Patler]

Wow! I can't wait for those "CRAB-TREE!" shouts at Lambeau. Or did I miss them? I understand culture and Green Bay Packers has that; cherish it [even if you don't understand it]. Dear Patler, I've cherish your posting but that was a...numb comment that totally lacked the understanding of culture/history that is the very heart and soul of what is YOUR GREEN BAY PACKERS! Get that feeling back, Pat, but if you're "right" then there would be something wrong with culture of what makes Packers great. Kuhn is culture, Kuhn is history and a heck of a story - not unsung...but a shout out my lungs Lambeau hero!

"Kuhn!"

No, "the very heart and soul" of what makes the Packers great is performance, and particularly the performance of its unsung players. Its the performance of all its players outside the blinding lights of the big cities. It's the unending loyalty of a city too small to support the team, but supporting it in grand style never the less; due in no small part to the loyalty of the entire state even when the team was floundering. THAT is the heart and soul of the Packers.

The "culture" stemming from a player who happens to have a name the crowd can call out easily will be short-lived at best.

[mmmdk]

No, "the very heart and soul" of what makes the Packers great is performance, and particularly the performance of its unsung players. Its the performance of all its players outside the blinding lights of the big cities. It's the unending loyalty of a city too small to support the team, but supporting it in grand style never the less; due in no small part to the loyalty of the entire state even when the team was floundering. THAT is the heart and soul of the Packers.

The "culture" stemming from a player who happens to have a name the crowd can call out easily will be short-lived at best.

Hehe! Fine with me!

[mmmdk]

So he is an icon and Packer HOF'er just because of his name?

Is there a general school of thought here on PR to solely take things out of context...just to secure the bubble they're in?

Dig into your vast memory bank and see if you could actually lay arguments on the table and draw something new into the memory bank. Kuhn even has pretty good stats for a mere "Craptree" player.

Don't give merit to the joke: "What's the difference between Americans and yogurt? If you leave yogurt alone for 200 years, it will actually grow a culture.".

My favorite football club (soccer) is AGF of 1880; not much perfonmance for decades but it has a vibrant history and culture and I "die" when they lose/play like sh!t but it's my team!!! Sorry for your loss, Pat, I really am.

[Zool]

Kuhn is constantly pulling a 500 pound plow behind him and not as good at picking up blitzers as he once was. Hendo was 5x the FB that Kuhn will ever be, so that's not a fair comparison.

[Bretsky]

a Ron Wolf Quote would do Justice

Fart in the Wind

[mraynrand]

Kuhn is constantly pulling a 500 pound plow behind him and not as good at picking up blitzers as he once was. Hendo was 5x the FB that Kuhn will ever be, so that's not a fair comparison.

yup. People just like the white plugger whose name is fun to say. I will give him props if he pancakes Willis just once Saturday night.

[Patler]

Is there a general school of thought here on PR to solely take things out of context...just to secure the bubble they're in?

Dig into your vast memory bank and see if you could actually lay arguments on the table and draw something new into the memory bank. Kuhn even has pretty good stats for a mere "Craptree" player.

Don't give merit to the joke: "What's the difference between Americans and yogurt? If you leave yogurt alone for 200 years, it will actually grow a culture.".

My favorite football club (soccer) is AGF of 1880; not much perfonmance for decades but it has a vibrant history and culture and I "die" when they lose/play like sh!t but it's my team!!! Sorry for your loss, Pat, I really am.

Did you not suggest that Kuhn is culture because of the stadium chants of his name?
Those occur simply because of the lyrical nature of his last name. His performance has been moderate, at best.

Maybe someone can help here. A few years back there was another player who often received a last name or nickname cheer just as Kuhn does now. But, I can't remember who it was. I suspect a few years after he retires, the same will be said about Kuhn.

Kuhn being a significant part of the culture and history of the Packers? I doubt it. An anecdote at best.

[pbmax]

Did you not suggest that Kuhn is culture because of the stadium chants of his name?
Those occur simply because of the lyrical nature of his last name. His performance has been moderate, at best.

Maybe someone can help here. A few years back there was another player who often received a last name or nickname cheer just as Kuhn does now. But, I can't remember who it was. I suspect a few years after he retires, the same will be said about Kuhn.

Kuhn being a significant part of the culture and history of the Packers? I doubt it. An anecdote at best.

George Koonce.

[Patler]

George Koonce.

That's it!!!

[ThunderDan]

Did you not suggest that Kuhn is culture because of the stadium chants of his name?
Those occur simply because of the lyrical nature of his last name. His performance has been moderate, at best.

Maybe someone can help here. A few years back there was another player who often received a last name or nickname cheer just as Kuhn does now. But, I can't remember who it was. I suspect a few years after he retires, the same will be said about Kuhn.

Kuhn being a significant part of the culture and history of the Packers? I doubt it. An anecdote at best.

Reminds me of Dave Roller. High effort guy that people loved. Once he moves on he fades into the gray. Except he is the one or two DL I can remember from the 70s. I think Ezra Johnson was the other.

[mraynrand]

Reminds me of Dave Roller. High effort guy that people loved. Once he moves on he fades into the gray. Except he is the one or two DL I can remember from the 70s. I think Ezra Johnson was the other.

Hot Dog!

[Patler]

Hot Dog!

Did you see a few years ago when Ezra Johnson came back for one of their "homecoming" games, and when they announced the players that were there, he walked onto the field and waved to the crowd with a hotdog in his hand!