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  • #31
    Originally posted by MJZiggy View Post
    I respectfully disagree. Dungy set them up to win. Gruden rode the wave and when it came time to take care of business on his own, the team got worse year after year until Gruden got fired. As further evidence, when Dungy left, he started again with the Colts and got them a trophy as well. He'd still be there if he hadn't retired.
    How long did it take Dungy to get a title? Several years. I love Dungy, but there is a saying about nice guys.... That doesn't apply to Gruden. He's a good, not great coach and SF is fortunate if they get him.

    There is no better man in the NFL than Dungy, but, lots of tries before you hit success.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by MJZiggy View Post
      I respectfully disagree. Dungy set them up to win. Gruden rode the wave and when it came time to take care of business on his own, the team got worse year after year until Gruden got fired. As further evidence, when Dungy left, he started again with the Colts and got them a trophy as well. He'd still be there if he hadn't retired.
      that's the exact argument all of the Dungy lovers give
      So.......Dungy is the setup man and Gruden the closer
      Gruden did a fine job in Oakland as well; they've looked great since he left
      TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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      • #33
        Originally posted by retailguy View Post
        How long did it take Dungy to get a title? Several years. I love Dungy, but there is a saying about nice guys.... That doesn't apply to Gruden. He's a good, not great coach and SF is fortunate if they get him.

        There is no better man in the NFL than Dungy, but, lots of tries before you hit success.
        Took Cowher awhile too, but everyone thinks he's God. And remember, Dungy got Tampa to the brink and then started over again in Indy and took them. How many years did it take him in Indy?
        "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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        • #34
          Originally posted by MJZiggy View Post
          Took Cowher awhile too, but everyone thinks he's God. And remember, Dungy got Tampa to the brink and then started over again in Indy and took them. How many years did it take him in Indy?
          Ok, I don't buy that Dungy "started over" when he went to Indy. In 99 they were 13-3, 2000 - 10-6, 2001 6-10. In 2001, Edgerrin James was lost to an ACL tear in week 6. Mora was fired over refusing to fire Vic Fangio his Def Coordinator, who was ridiculously bad. They had a bunch of other injuries and shoddy special teams play (sound familiar?), and then they hired Dungy.

          5 years later he won the Super Bowl after many post season failures. 2002 - 10-6, 2003 - 12-4, 2004 12-4, 2005 14-2, 2006 12-4 (super bowl!).

          Dungy is a hell of a coach, but it did take him 5 post season tries before he was successful, and started his tenure with a playoff appearance. I don't see how you can say he "started over", in fact I believe an argument can be made that he "inherited" a pretty good team from Mora too (and perhaps better than the one that Gruden inherited if you consider Peyton Manning, Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison & Reggie Wayne).

          Don't get me wrong, Dungy is a hell of a coach, and as I said, the best man in the NFL today, but, Gruden's success shouldn't be marginalized in Tampa because of those things. He won a super bowl with BRAD JOHNSON! Gruden's biggest flaws are his love for veteran QB's and his inability to control his temper. Other than that, he's a damn good coach, I think. Are there better? Sure. But he's a good fit for SF, and if you get the guy a decent QB, he might do quite well there.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by retailguy View Post
            Ok, I don't buy that Dungy "started over" when he went to Indy. In 99 they were 13-3, 2000 - 10-6, 2001 6-10. In 2001, Edgerrin James was lost to an ACL tear in week 6. Mora was fired over refusing to fire Vic Fangio his Def Coordinator, who was ridiculously bad. They had a bunch of other injuries and shoddy special teams play (sound familiar?), and then they hired Dungy.

            5 years later he won the Super Bowl after many post season failures. 2002 - 10-6, 2003 - 12-4, 2004 12-4, 2005 14-2, 2006 12-4 (super bowl!).

            Dungy is a hell of a coach, but it did take him 5 post season tries before he was successful, and started his tenure with a playoff appearance. I don't see how you can say he "started over", in fact I believe an argument can be made that he "inherited" a pretty good team from Mora too (and perhaps better than the one that Gruden inherited if you consider Peyton Manning, Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison & Reggie Wayne).

            Don't get me wrong, Dungy is a hell of a coach, and as I said, the best man in the NFL today, but, Gruden's success shouldn't be marginalized in Tampa because of those things. He won a super bowl with BRAD JOHNSON! Gruden's biggest flaws are his love for veteran QB's and his inability to control his temper. Other than that, he's a damn good coach, I think. Are there better? Sure. But he's a good fit for SF, and if you get the guy a decent QB, he might do quite well there.

            BINGO
            TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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            • #36
              Originally posted by retailguy View Post
              Ok, I don't buy that Dungy "started over" when he went to Indy. In 99 they were 13-3, 2000 - 10-6, 2001 6-10. In 2001, Edgerrin James was lost to an ACL tear in week 6. Mora was fired over refusing to fire Vic Fangio his Def Coordinator, who was ridiculously bad. They had a bunch of other injuries and shoddy special teams play (sound familiar?), and then they hired Dungy.

              5 years later he won the Super Bowl after many post season failures. 2002 - 10-6, 2003 - 12-4, 2004 12-4, 2005 14-2, 2006 12-4 (super bowl!).

              Dungy is a hell of a coach, but it did take him 5 post season tries before he was successful, and started his tenure with a playoff appearance. I don't see how you can say he "started over", in fact I believe an argument can be made that he "inherited" a pretty good team from Mora too (and perhaps better than the one that Gruden inherited if you consider Peyton Manning, Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison & Reggie Wayne).

              Don't get me wrong, Dungy is a hell of a coach, and as I said, the best man in the NFL today, but, Gruden's success shouldn't be marginalized in Tampa because of those things. He won a super bowl with BRAD JOHNSON! Gruden's biggest flaws are his love for veteran QB's and his inability to control his temper. Other than that, he's a damn good coach, I think. Are there better? Sure. But he's a good fit for SF, and if you get the guy a decent QB, he might do quite well there.
              All that's nice, but let's get back to my original point which was: he sucks donkey balls on MNF and I want him coaching somewhere so that he shuts the fuck up.
              "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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              • #37
                Originally posted by MJZiggy View Post
                All that's nice, but let's get back to my original point which was: he sucks donkey balls on MNF and I want him coaching somewhere so that he shuts the fuck up.
                +1

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