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    Good article on why Matthews sacks are down. Even with that, the defense continues to play well. I suspect he may be gearing up for a big game this week. It seems that the way to beat Cutler (moreso than other QBs) is to pressure him into making mistakes. I'm hoping Capers goes into full attack mode on Sunday. Hopefully Bishop and Hawk can handle Forte and Olsen in the short passing game.

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    Sacks down, double-teams up for Packers' Matthews
    Updated: Thursday, 30 Dec 2010, 6:12 PM CST
    Published : Thursday, 30 Dec 2010, 4:27 PM CST


    GREEN BAY (AP) - Even as someone who drew plenty of attention from opposing offenses, Green Bay Packers outside linebackers coach Kevin Greene was stunned by the number of blockers Clay Matthews found himself fighting through during last weekend's blowout victory over the New York Giants.

    Greene said the Giants clearly made taking Matthews out of the game their No. 1 priority on offense, using an unrelenting combination of tight ends, running backs and offensive linemen to keep him at bay.

    "If you really look at this game and see how many double and triple teams that are going his way, it really is unbelievable," Greene said.

    The Giants held Matthews without a sack, something that's happening to the second-year defensive star more and more in the second half of the season as offenses recognize just how dangerous he can be.

    Matthews still made an impact, with one tackle for loss and running 20 yards downfield to punch the ball away from Giants running back Brandon Jacobs for a fumble. And for all their efforts to neutralize Matthews, the Giants committed six turnovers and lost badly.

    Going into Sunday's regular-season finale against Chicago with a potential playoff berth on the line, Matthews said he isn't frustrated as long as the Packers keep winning.

    "Frustrated is not the right word," Matthews said. "If I'm not getting that kind of attention, then I'm not doing my job. I was close to the quarterback a few times, but it's part of the game plan. Overall, I thought we did pretty well on defense and came away with a big victory."

    After getting 10 sacks as a rookie last season, Matthews was nearly unstoppable at the beginning of this year, with 8 1/2 sacks in the first five games. But since sitting out the Oct. 17 game against Miami because of a hamstring injury, Matthews has been held to four sacks in the last nine games.

    A shin injury has limited Matthews' ability to practice in recent weeks, and defensive coordinator Dom Capers acknowledges that Matthews' health might have something to do with his dip in productivity.

    Greene said Matthews' sack numbers are dropping mostly because he's simply getting so much attention.

    "As a coach, I'm just saying, 'You know what, it is what it is,"' he said. "'You've got a name. And teams aren't going to let you get started. So the thing is, keep chopping wood. Because that one play, they're going to leave you single. And that's when you have to make something happen."'

    It certainly doesn't help that the Packers are down to their third-string outside linebacker opposite Matthews after a season-ending injury to Brad Jones and a knee injury that has kept Frank Zombo out the last two games.

    The return of defensive end Cullen Jenkins, who has sat out the Packers' last three games with a calf injury, certainly would help draw some attention away from Matthews.

    But Matthews is optimistic about the emergence of nose tackle B.J. Raji, who has three sacks in the past two games and drew his own share of double-teams against the Giants.

    "There were times when they were sliding three my way and had two on him," Matthews said. "They had what they had in mind, but he was doing a fantastic job. Fortunately for me, they're going to have to start showing him some respect now, and that'll take a guy off (me). It's a good little tandem. That's why once we're full strength, it's going to be hard to single guys here with the amount of talent we have."

    While Matthews might not like all the attention he's getting for the time being, he might as well get used to it.

    "That's going to be a norm now for Clay, especially if he's sitting there at the end of the line of scrimmage," Capers said. "That's why you like to move him around a little bit so you can't always identify where he is."

    Capers would like to move Matthews around at the line of scrimmage more frequently, but doesn't feel comfortable doing so until Matthews can return to practice more consistently.

    "We like being able to do that during the course of a game," Capers said. "Probably haven't done as much of that lately, because when a guy can't practice, you can't do as much stuff with him. You need to get him out there lined up in one place and have him play."

    Capers said Matthews looked more like himself Sunday.

    "What I saw was, when he was lined up on a tight end, he looks like what Clay normally looks like," Capers said. "He sets his hips - pow! - and he pops the tight end and knocks him back. If you're playing the run, it all starts with that hip explosion, being able to put your chin up under those guys and knock him back. And he did that."

    Matthews said he's feeling better every day.

    "Just at the right time, too," Matthews said. "Hopefully we can get a victory here and move forward."

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    "Greene said the Giants clearly made taking Matthews out of the game their No. 1 priority on offense, using an unrelenting combination of tight ends, running backs and offensive linemen to keep him at bay.

    "If you really look at this game and see how many double and triple teams that are going his way, it really is unbelievable," Greene said. "



    - same thing they did to Kampman in 2007
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    • #3
      Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
      "Greene said the Giants clearly made taking Matthews out of the game their No. 1 priority on offense, using an unrelenting combination of tight ends, running backs and offensive linemen to keep him at bay.

      "If you really look at this game and see how many double and triple teams that are going his way, it really is unbelievable," Greene said. "



      - same thing they did to Kampman in 2007
      Its ridiculous for you to suggest that the guy who had the second most sacks in the NFL in 2007 wasn't gameplanned for and double teamed often. Go back and watch the game again. Also, I watched the game sunday. I saw Clay consistently get stonewalled by the right tackle...solo. So bad that he overplayed a speed rush while Brandon Jackson beat his gap for about 20 yards. To clays credit he has a "kampman like motor" and pursued to cause a fumble.

      I believe in '06 and '07 combined Kamp led the entire NFL in sacks. Now I love clay, and I think when its all written his career will likely be better than kampmans. Kamp started slow as a 5th round pick, has had to endure playing out of position for a season, and now has suffered 2 ACL injuries. I hope none of that happens to clay.....but to reiterate:

      To suggest that Clay is so far superior to Kampman is not only premature, but speaks volumes of anyone who makes that claim. Waldo (and now you) sound like Bill Walton doing and NBA game:

      "Chris Webber has the best hands of any big man EVER!!:"
      "NOBODY hustles like Allen Iverson...EVER!!!"
      "Tia Tequilla sucks the best cock...EVER!!!"
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      • #4
        PS....I remember a lot of Brett defenders who wanted to dismiss actual accomplishments with platitudes. He made everyone around him better. Guys want to play harder for him. Clay might not have accomplished as much in his career as Kampman has, but teams gameplan for him more.

        Newsflash, anyone who sacks the QB with consistency gets gameplanned for (except Jarred Allen against the packers in '09)
        The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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        • #5
          you have a good sense of humor
          "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
            Newsflash, anyone who sacks the QB with consistency gets gameplanned for (except Jarred Allen against the packers in '09)
            The best laid plans can easily go awry when they center around Allen Barbre and Darren Colledge playing tackle.

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            • #7
              McGinn had Matthews double-teamed 55% of plays for the Giants and said this was in line with the past four games. Kampman was never double-teamed this much.

              There is a debate to be had about the choices a O coordinator must make. Stopping Matthews has to be priority #1. With Kampman, there was KGB or Corey Williams to worry about. However, this fact also explains why Matthews must be considered a greater threat earlier in his career than Kampman; even with attention focused on him unlike Kampman, he is still putting up double digit sacks seasons.

              And I don't think it matters if Matthews could be blocked one on one by a Tackle since Matthews offers opportunities for pass rush that Kampman didn't. AK needed to play in specific spot from a specific formation and had to beat the tackle one on one to win the battle. Matthews is more flexible and can attack from more than one position.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
                Its ridiculous for you to suggest that the guy who had the second most sacks in the NFL in 2007 wasn't gameplanned for and double teamed often. Go back and watch the game again. Also, I watched the game sunday. I saw Clay consistently get stonewalled by the right tackle...solo. So bad that he overplayed a speed rush while Brandon Jackson beat his gap for about 20 yards. To clays credit he has a "kampman like motor" and pursued to cause a fumble.

                I believe in '06 and '07 combined Kamp led the entire NFL in sacks. Now I love clay, and I think when its all written his career will likely be better than kampmans. Kamp started slow as a 5th round pick, has had to endure playing out of position for a season, and now has suffered 2 ACL injuries. I hope none of that happens to clay.....but to reiterate:

                To suggest that Clay is so far superior to Kampman is not only premature, but speaks volumes of anyone who makes that claim. Waldo (and now you) sound like Bill Walton doing and NBA game:

                "Chris Webber has the best hands of any big man EVER!!:"
                "NOBODY hustles like Allen Iverson...EVER!!!"
                "Tia Tequilla sucks the best cock...EVER!!!"

                P.S. you build nice strawmen. Go back and read what I wrote. To summarize: I think Matthews is and will remain a more impactful player than Kampman was (and will ever be). I just didn't think Kampman was all that special. Pretty good DE, slightly less of a player than Allen. I could be premature about Matthews, but we'll have to wait and see. That's my view - probably not as extreme as making claims about cocksucking, but I'm sure you'll let me know about that.

                If you want to pull individual plays out where a OLB or DE plays poorly, I can get you a whole catalog full of ineffective Kampman downs to match any plays from Matthews - if you want to go that route.
                "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by vince View Post
                  The best laid plans can easily go awry when they center around Allen Barbre and Darren Colledge playing tackle.
                  How come Mac the great didn't coach 'em up? Clearly, since Thompson drafted 'em they had the talent.

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                  • #10
                    QUOTE=retailguy;561022]How come Mac the great didn't coach 'em up? Clearly, since Thompson drafted 'em they had the talent.[/QUOTE]

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                    "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
                      Originally posted by retailguy View Post
                      How come Mac the great didn't coach 'em up? Clearly, since Thompson drafted 'em they had the talent.
                      Good one.

                      On the serious side I really want to hear the explanation.

                      Ted's the greatest, Mac is clearly top 10, maybe top 5 by some estimates. Shouldn't they be able to trot out quality linemen, or a the least a gameplan that works? It isn't like those players were from a previous regime, they were "homegrown".

                      Seems that the argument is on both sides, and for me at least, that doesn't work.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by retailguy View Post
                        How come Mac the great didn't coach 'em up? Clearly, since Thompson drafted 'em they had the talent.
                        Clearly.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by retailguy View Post

                          On the serious side I really want to hear the explanation.

                          Ted's the greatest, Mac is clearly top 10, maybe top 5 by some estimates. Shouldn't they be able to trot out quality linemen, or a the least a gameplan that works? It isn't like those players were from a previous regime, they were "homegrown".

                          Seems that the argument is on both sides, and for me at least, that doesn't work.
                          No you don't, not really. When you're serious, come up with your own answer. I think you have one already.
                          "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
                            No you don't, not really. When you're serious, come up with your own answer. I think you have one already.
                            Well, I don't understand how you can hype and defend both of these guys, and then say that essentially there was a plan but the players didn't execute. I don't happen to believe that's true. It sounds like a cop out to me.

                            So, why don't you give me your answer, because, "clearly", I got the only answer I'm getting out of Vince.

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                            • #15
                              And you thought I set up a strawman.
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