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    With the already announced and other expected firings of a lot of head coaches, there will be many assistant coaches available. Jeff Fisher is expected to be fired in Tennessee. The O-line coach in Tennessee is Hall-of-Famer Mike Munchak. I have checked a number of "Best O-line" coach articles, and Munchak appeared on every one of them, usually in the top 5 and as high as #2. He is given outstanding marks for training new young lower round draft picks and having them play fundamentally sound and consistently.

    He has not been given top talent to work with, has had different starters most every season, yet has produced solid results. Would be nice to have a guy like that in GB.


    His bio from the Titans website (highlighting is mine):


    Pro Football Hall of Fame guard Mike Munchak is in his 14th season as the Titans offensive line coach.

    Munchak is one of the most respected offensive line coaches in the NFL for his ability to teach and produce technically sound offensive lines despite annual changes to his positional group. Since becoming offensive line coach in 1997, he only has twice had the same starting five offensive linemen from one year to the next. During his tenure with the team, four different offensive linemen have earned a total of 10 Pro Bowl invitations, including Michael Roos (2008) and Kevin Mawae (2008 & 2009).

    Last year, the offensive line paved the way for only the sixth running back in NFL history to rush for 2,000 yards in a single season, as Chris Johnson reached the landmark number. The team rushing total (2,592) was the second-highest in franchise history and was the fourth consecutive season to surpass the 2,000 yard mark as a team – the longest streak in franchise history. Additionally, the group ranked second in the NFL in sacks allowed with only 15. Since 1999, the Titans rank second in the NFL in fewest sacks allowed with 302.
    As evidence of the stellar line play, the Titans have produced five different 1,000-yard rushers (George, Brown, T. Henry, White, Johnson) over the past seven seasons. The Titans are tied with the N.Y. Jets as the only two teams to produce twelve 1,000-yard rushers since 1996.

    Although the names on the line have changed on a yearly basis, Munchak has consistently shown the ability to train younger talent. In 2005, he tutored rookie tackle Michael Roos, who only had three years of offensive line experience in his football career, well enough to earn a starting role for all 16 games. Roos matured enough under Munchak’s tutelage to earn All Pro honors and a Pro Bowl invitation in 2008. In 2004, then-rookie guard Jacob Bell replaced Zach Piller, who was injured in the opening game, and Bell would go on to earn all-rookie honors. The offense didn't miss a beat, ranking 11th in the league in total offense and producing a 1,000-yard rusher in Chris Brown and two 1,100-yard receivers in Derrick Mason and Drew Bennett. In 2003, he mentored Justin Hartwig into the Titans starting center despite Hartwig never having played the position. The line took time to come together in 2003, but would finish in the league's Top 10 in fewest sacks allowed, providing protection for NFL co-MVP Steve McNair and paving the way for another 1,000-yard rushing season for Eddie George.

    Under Munchak's direction, the Titans offensive line has shown great versatility and an ability to match a particular style of play. He built a bruising, grind-it out line that helped George rush for a career-high 1,509 yards in 2000, a protection-sound line that cared for an MVP quarterback in Steve McNair and several editions that have shown the ability to do both.
    One of the greatest Oilers of all-time, Munchak joined the club's front office in 1994, assisting the offensive coaching staff and providing quality control. He was later promoted to offensive line coach in 1997.

    A former first-round draft choice of the Oilers (eighth overall) in 1982, Munchak played in 159 regular season games (fourth all-time on club's list) and 10 playoff games before retiring on July 21, 1994.

    Munchak became the fifth player in franchise history to be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame (July, 2001) and the first to enter the Hall after playing his entire career with the franchise. He was introduced by long-time teammate and friend Bruce Matthews, who became the first active NFL player to make a Hall of Fame induction. Munchak returned the favor in the summer of 2007, introducing Matthews as he entered the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
    When he retired from playing, Munchak owned the club mark with nine Pro Bowl invitations. He had his uniform (#63) retired on Nov. 6, 1996, marking only the fourth jersey (at that time) in Oilers history to be retired (Earl Campbell's #34, Jim Norton's #43 and Elvin Bethea's #65 were the others). He also was named to the inaugural class of the Titans/Oilers Hall of Fame and elected to the Pennsylvania, Texas and Polish-American Sports Hall of Fames. Lastly, he was honored as one of the 38 Sports Legends of Houston prior to Super Bowl XXXVIII.
    A native of Scranton, Pa. (3/5/60), and graduate of Penn State, Munchak and his wife, Marci, have two grown daughters, Alexandria and Julie.
    I haven't looked in to the others that might be available, but it sure would be nice to have a guy like Munchak, although I expect he might be looking for an advanced position, (like OC) since he had total running game responsibility in Tennessee the last couple years, not just O-line.

  • #2
    Fisher is almost assured of landing somewhere immediately I'd think. Without knowing anything about their relationship, you'd think it would take a lot for him to not just follow Fischer or take a promotion in Nashville.

    The offensive line has been a disappointment this year, particularly in the run game, but it does seem to look better with a one-cut-and-hit-it-hard back like Grant, and it appears Starks, can bring. I'm all for replacing Campman based on the results, but I'm not entirely comfortable arriving at definitive conclusions to a problem with so many variables and so little information about so many of them, particularly what he's coaching, how he's coaching it, and whether the players are following him or not. We see a problem, but we really don't have any educated idea of the real root cause of it.

    On a related note, it was downright embarrassing watching Colledge let Tommie Harris get up off the ground right in front of him and go sack Rodgers yesterday. All Colledge had to do was lay on him or give him another pop when he started to get up. Instead, in statuesque form, he watched him get up off the ground and run right in front of him to sack Rodgers. Colledge (and Wells too) appear to have more of a mindset of getting in your way than getting you out of the way.

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    • #3
      All of these coaches will already be snapped up by other forming staffs by the time the Packers win the Superbowl in February.
      "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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      • #4
        Maybe Colledge was afraid of getting called for a phantom hold after the Bulaga "hold". Bulaga fell on a guy already going to the ground and his arm was in contact with the defender's shoulder pads. If having your arm hooked around a defender in that manner is a hold, Clay was held about 10 times.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by vince View Post
          Fisher is almost assured of landing somewhere immediately I'd think. Without knowing anything about their relationship, you'd think it would take a lot for him to not just follow Fischer or take a promotion in Nashville.

          The offensive line has been a disappointment this year, particularly in the run game, but it does seem to look better with a one-cut-and-hit-it-hard back like Grant, and it appears Starks, can bring. I'm all for replacing Campman based on the results, but I'm not entirely comfortable arriving at definitive conclusions to a problem with so many variables and so little information about so many of them, particularly what he's coaching, how he's coaching it, and whether the players are following him or not. We see a problem, but we really don't have any educated idea of the real root cause of it.

          On a related note, it was downright embarrassing watching Colledge let Tommie Harris get up off the ground right in front of him and go sack Rodgers yesterday. All Colledge had to do was lay on him or give him another pop when he started to get up. Instead, in statuesque form, he watched him get up off the ground and run right in front of him to sack Rodgers. Colledge (and Wells too) appear to have more of a mindset of getting in your way than getting you out of the way.
          The offensive line has been a disappointment every year since McCarthy came. There have been new faces every year, but not much changes. In similar situations year after year after year, Munchak has gotten positive results, as have some other O-line coaches.

          The Packer O-line play has been mediocre to bad for far too long. Rodgers will be lights out if O-line play improves.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Patler View Post
            Rodgers will be lights out if O-line play improves.
            That's a scary cool thought, because he isn't exactly chopped liver right now!
            "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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            • #7
              If this team doesn't address it's offensive line woes, it won't continue to grow. Patler is right, it's been pathetic the entire time McCarthy has been here.

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              • #8
                On a slightly related note, is Shawn Slocum saving his job these past two weeks?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Patler View Post
                  The offensive line has been a disappointment every year since McCarthy came. There have been new faces every year, but not much changes. In similar situations year after year after year, Munchak has gotten positive results, as have some other O-line coaches.

                  The Packer O-line play has been mediocre to bad for far too long. Rodgers will be lights out if O-line play improves.
                  I agree with all of that. Bulaga and Sitton are new. Clifton, Colledge and Wells are not. Barbre didn't get it done. Spitz was pedestrian and had some injury problems. Lang is TBD. Tauscher got old and injured.

                  We'll see if the people who know far more than we do and have far more information than we do agree with the causation.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                    On a slightly related note, is Shawn Slocum saving his job these past two weeks?
                    Funny, I don't hate Slocum so much when his special teams return kicks and punts well, pin the opposition behind the five yard line twice in the second half, don't make stupid mistakes, and limit the NFL's most dangerous return man to about 20 yards.

                    And as for Campen, I think it is pretty funny that people refer to Offensive Line Coach as a vacancy.

                    Boys can be so cruel.
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                    • #11
                      Either Campen has pictures, or McCarthy keeps hearing that Campen is the most offensive line coach in the league and think that actually means he's good.

                      He certainly is offensive.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by vince View Post
                        Fisher is almost assured of landing somewhere immediately I'd think. Without knowing anything about their relationship, you'd think it would take a lot for him to not just follow Fischer or take a promotion in Nashville.

                        The offensive line has been a disappointment this year, particularly in the run game, but it does seem to look better with a one-cut-and-hit-it-hard back like Grant, and it appears Starks, can bring. I'm all for replacing Campman based on the results, but I'm not entirely comfortable arriving at definitive conclusions to a problem with so many variables and so little information about so many of them, particularly what he's coaching, how he's coaching it, and whether the players are following him or not. We see a problem, but we really don't have any educated idea of the real root cause of it.

                        On a related note, it was downright embarrassing watching Colledge let Tommie Harris get up off the ground right in front of him and go sack Rodgers yesterday. All Colledge had to do was lay on him or give him another pop when he started to get up. Instead, in statuesque form, he watched him get up off the ground and run right in front of him to sack Rodgers. Colledge (and Wells too) appear to have more of a mindset of getting in your way than getting you out of the way.
                        Was that the sack of Rodgers near the Bear goal line? I didn't see Harris on the ground, he and Colledge were engaged and when Rodgers went to his right, Colledge had no angle to restrain Harris. And then Harris made a great leap to catch Rodgers legs.
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                        • #13
                          Football Outsides Offensive Line Grade Ranks for the last five years:

                          Code:
                                        Run    Pass
                          2010 Packers  22nd   21st
                               Titans   31st   11th 
                          2009 Packers   8th   30th
                               Titans   21st    3rd
                          2008 Packers  17th   14th
                               Titans   15th    3rd
                          2007 Packers  26th    1st
                               Titans   11th   16th
                          2006 Packers  16th    3rd
                               Titans   28th   11th
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                          Avgs Packers  18th   14th
                               Titans   21st    9th
                          Is the difference between the two lines the coach or the QB? Because if a vet like Favre (or Collins) was back there, I think the Packers O line would outpoint the Titans line. Look what Favre could do with the line in his last two years.

                          Or is it the back (Johnson, White, Henry, George) that makes the line look better (Jackson, Kuhn, Nance, Starks, Grant, old Ahman Green)?
                          Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                          • #14
                            I'd be happy with an OL coach that would give us an average OL. It would be 2 steps up from where we are now.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                              Was that the sack of Rodgers near the Bear goal line? I didn't see Harris on the ground, he and Colledge were engaged and when Rodgers went to his right, Colledge had no angle to restrain Harris. And then Harris made a great leap to catch Rodgers legs.
                              Yes it was. I'll get the play and post it. Harris was on the ground and Colledge was standing right over top of him. He had every opportunity to finish him off and let him right back into the play due to his passiveness and no second effort on the play. Granted he didn't know Rodgers had scrambled up, but that's no excuse IMO for him to just let his man get up off the ground and make the play when he was standing right over him the whole time.

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