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Sean Jensen Tweets that they don't know the Grade yet. So it might have been a partial.Originally posted by MadScientist View PostTorn MCL:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-has-mcl-tear/
Fair enough reason not to go back in. If there isn't some other damage, he should be fine next season. He as plenty of time to heal.
The self-flagellation will continue in Chicago.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
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This will not help his image, because players do sometimes continue to play with MCL sprains and tears. Some don't, and are shut down for a few weeks to heal, but some "play through it". We will never know how serious Cutler's was, or how much pain he was in.
Remember, Cutler had a reputation of "quitting" in Denver, and moping when things went bad.
Then, Urlacher had the famous comment about Cutler's toughness before the Bears traded for him.
It's a tough reputation to shake, even if it isn't justified; and yesterday won't help shake it.
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Ya, what the hell happened with Collins? He was the #2 guy, right? How does he end up so lost out there? If he was that ineffective, how come Lovie & co didn't know it before the game? That was pretty weird.Originally posted by green_bowl_packer View PostLovie is also catching heat for going with Collins instead of Hanie, for 2 crucial series. Where they figure that Collins didnt' know what the hell he was doing, so why was he in their in the first place.
I think this Packer victory could lead to the unraveling of the Bears organization, Cutler's taking huge heat, Lovie's gonna get some more today, and eventually their GM Angelo will get some too. Beautiful.--
Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...
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It's a MCL! He should have put a knee brace on it and gone back in. BRETT FAVRE would have been in there. Big Ben, Brady, hell...Manning would have gone back in. CUTLER has always been a big pussy in my eyes, and now he's proved it. Cocky, cry-baby. F him!
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Collins had previously been then #3 as a result of his awful showing against the Giants and Panthers. During the week he got elevated to #2. Thanks Lovie and Martz!!!Originally posted by Guiness View PostYa, what the hell happened with Collins? He was the #2 guy, right? How does he end up so lost out there? If he was that ineffective, how come Lovie & co didn't know it before the game? That was pretty weird.Go PACK
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Bottom line: Cutler was standing and walking around on the sidelines, and he was able to "ride the bike" for a bit showing he could still put pressure on it, even if it DID hurt. I do not buy that it was the trainers decisions to bench him, becuase he came out in that first series int he second half and it was HE that said he couldn't play, despite the fact that planting his foot didn't even appear to be a realistic problem. He also doesn't throw properly most the time anyways relying on arm strength, so it would of hardly been a realistic deterent. bottom line was he was getting ROCKED all game and was sick and tired of it. He didn't want to get blasted anymore, regardless of injury.
Say he has a torn MCL, or a Torn ACL - yet he is able to still walk around on the sidelines. If your able to walk on the sideliens with the injury, you're able to play. Bottom line. It is a major question of his toughness as a QB, because this is the NFC championship game. This is to get to the Super Bowl. You may NEVER get back to this point ever again the rest of your career. You give it everything you have, and if that means playing hurt, you play hurt.
This is why I really appreciated "Favre the player", because hurt or not he always put it all out on the field. Cutler already has attitude problems and is questioned greatly as a leader. THe team then responded to that Haine guy with renewed confidence. One has to wonder if Cutler, in addition to being a poor leader, was just not willing to take the pain and give it his all. With his attitude towards everything, it doesn't suprise me that he wouldn't.
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Jimmy Johnson and Howie Long were very critical of his leadership in their post game comments. Johnson went so far as to say he needed an attitude adjustment in the off season if he is to fulfill the leadership role demanded of QBs. They both said it had nothing to do with playing through his injury, but getting the team to respond to his leadership.
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doesn't the MCL provide lateral stability? he may be able to walk and stand on it, but thats a lot different than dropping back, planting, and throwing.
bottom line is dude has gotten hit and killed all season long. he kept popping up. He even took on defenders yesterday w/o sliding to get a 1st down. I don't like the guy but I think he's got to be pretty tough and his body language was one of being dejected. Chicago needs a scapegoat. Just ask bartman.
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I think the most legitimate criticisms were those that questioned why the starting QB, still in uniform and on the sideline walking and standing normally, sat like a bored spectator on the bench. Why wasn't he near the coaches, talking to the backups, encouraging his team mates? He looked like he didn't care. Not much showing of leadership.Originally posted by Packers4Glory View Postdoesn't the MCL provide lateral stability? he may be able to walk and stand on it, but thats a lot different than dropping back, planting, and throwing.
bottom line is dude has gotten hit and killed all season long. he kept popping up. He even took on defenders yesterday w/o sliding to get a 1st down. I don't like the guy but I think he's got to be pretty tough and his body language was one of being dejected. Chicago needs a scapegoat. Just ask bartman.
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